Posted by nomdeplume at 07/29/10 07:29AM        Post ID#: #39093

"This program would also mean everyone who is jailed in Yakima County would be subject to a fingerprint database search, not just those whom officials suspect may be here illegally."

This provision makes such law ACLU-proof and should be part of every law lately that is passed. I'm also sure that such a screening process is part of the Arizona law that a few people are upset about. (I say "few" since the vast majority of the popular national opinion is that the AZ law is just and should be instituted everywhere.)

I disagree with the editors in that the current laws on the books since 1986 already cover all that needs to be covered. We only need to enforce that law.

They gave a limited amnesty back then that only caused an increased influx of illegals seeking the American Dream. Reagan approved amnesty to 3.5 million illegals. It turned out that there were about 9 million here that were grandfathered in becasue of the wording of the amnesty at the time. There was a guest worker program included that works if used, but since the Feds have soft-pedaled enforcement, why bother, Right?

I also notice that the number keeps creeping down for current estimates of illegals. The editorial states only 11 million now. That number started at a too-low 12 million, which all evidence and logical math considered, is truly about 30 million illegals from all countries.

The new calls for "Comprehensive Immigration Reform" is going to result in nothing but a drive by politicians for a new voter registration base and a fixed demographic to keep wages down to a much lower bar. If it wasn't for the huge number of illegals here, the LEGAL immigrants would have a better chance at keeping their jobs too.

Besides, it shouldn't pay to break the law under any circumstances and that is what amnesty creates - rewards for criminal behavior, pure and simple.

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Posted by clutch520 at 07/29/10 07:57AM        Post ID#: #39095

If we would use this system, enforce current laws, plus add penalties for hiring illegals, plus refuse driver's licenses to illegals (WA is one of only 3 states to continue issuance without residency), I guarantee that 75% of illegals will self-deport. Look at the flight of illegals from AZ to surrounding states and WA. Just the posture of getting tough on illegals has them on the run, let's keep them moving.

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Posted by skivejive at 07/29/10 09:30AM        Post ID#: #39108

"Self-deport" sounds like they wrestle themselves onto a bus heading south or something.
Who came up with this word, anyway? Faux Snooze? Ben Gleck?
The Bobbsy Twins?

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Posted by gjsmitty at 07/29/10 09:39AM        Post ID#: #39110

I don't get it!

Sneak into a country violating it's Federal laws, Fly the flag, and be so proud of the country that you left, and refuse to learn the language (English) of the country that you "snuck" into!

Makes no sense to me!

How does a non-citizen of the United States have Constitutional Rights?


Somebody please explain this to me!

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Posted by skivejive at 07/29/10 09:59AM        Post ID#: #39116

I, too, have a problem understanding why anyone would want to fly the flag of a country they gladly left behind.
It sort of goes along with refusing to learn English, doesn't it?

But then, I suppose if we wait long enough, their grandkids will habla de Anglais and look upon the Cinqo de Mayo celebrations in a jaded and jaundiced way, the same way we do the Fourth of July now.
Maybe.

Or perhaps the Pope will incite rebellion and take over our country. It's not impossible.

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Posted by huh at 07/29/10 10:38AM        Post ID#: #39130

gismitty,
They lean heavily, very heavily on the little phrase in the constitution saying "all men are endowed by their creator..""pursuit of life. liberty and the pursuit of happiness..." That in and of itself makes everyone on these shores a person who should be given all the rights, priviledges and freedoms of a citizen. Doesn't matter if it's paid for via taxes, mine, yours, theirs or someone elses, but they have the right.

I think the idea was a sound one when entering a country and moving around a country was not so easy. But today....
who am I to question? I just live here, born, raised, and nurtured by 2 parents who also were born and raised here, I pay my taxes and try to get along without hurting anybody. For that, my opinion doesn't count.

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Posted by skivejive at 07/29/10 10:49AM        Post ID#: #39132

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Posted by gjsmitty at 07/29/10 10:55AM        Post ID#: #39133

huh:

I agree with that statement, however there are people in this country that are not getting those rights. For instance, when a gang banger shoots and kills someone he is revoking that persons right to "life' under the Constitution. Their is an increase in gang activity at the US border to Arizona, revoking the rights of our citizens on a daily bases. Not to mention kidnappings. What do we do about that? I can not just sit here and watch that happen!

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Posted by huh at 07/29/10 11:13AM        Post ID#: #39136

Just as the victim your senerio above shows, the right to life is revoked, rather violently. But we must coddle the suspect in these cases. The rule we were taught as kids says that 2 wrongs don't make a right. So by infringing on the suspects rights, we are doing wrong.

MHO, bring in the guard and shoot them all. Worked at Kent State, it will work here.

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Posted by gjsmitty at 07/29/10 11:35AM        Post ID#: #39141

Is it not our ethical duty to protect those that can not protect themselves? Isn't that what we pay the federal government to do? I am not saying that we should practice the old "eye for an eye" mindset. What I am saying us that we need to protect our citizens against all enemies foreign and domestic. In this case, the Arizona is a foreign country crossing our border and killing our citizens. It happens daily and in most US cities and quite often in Yakima. we need a solution, and fast!

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Posted by gjsmitty at 07/29/10 11:46AM        Post ID#: #39143

Life in prison should equal life. Not parole in 5 to 10 years. we can always build more prisons. Accountability for ones actions should be the mindset in this case! In the meantime if someone wants to come here they are welcome if done legally. There are avenues set up for this. Why, break the law and sneak in?

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Posted by Quixotic_Pursuit at 07/29/10 03:29PM        Post ID#: #39159

To think, this could all be solved, if the government just did its job. Instead, it leaves it up to counties and cities to hobble together in an attempt to some how compensate for our governments inaction. While people decry the attempt by Arizona to enforce immigration laws, one must ponder to what extent is Arizona just trying to survive. The cost of illegal immigration is staggering, realize that according to the Federation for American Immigration Reform (a nonpartisan group), Illegal immigration cost U.S. taxpayers about $113,000,000,000.00 a year total, with approximately $84,200,000,000.00 of that absorbed by state and local governments. On average every legal citizen in the US pays $1,117.00 to support illegal immigrants yearly. Education the offspring of illegals cost us approximately $52,000,000,000.00 a year. At the local level, less than 5% of the cost of illegals can be recouped through taxes collected from illegal aliens. Washington State alone is hit with a $1,510,000,000.00 bill, from the illegal aliens who come here.

Obviously there is a problem here, and someone needs to solve it. We need politicians who won’t pander to the prospect of legalizing an additional 12 million new voters. We need to seriously consider mass deportations. And what would it cost? According to an ICE estimate it would cost approximately $94 Billion to find and deport every single illegal alien in the United States. So that would be less than the annual tab of $113 Billion to support them.

You do the math.



CNN link for ICE estimate:
http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/09/12/deportation.cost/index.html

Federation for American Immigration Reform
http://www.fairus.org

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Posted by ogre at 07/29/10 03:42PM        Post ID#: #39161

Everyone's comments wreak of hyperbole.

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Posted by MarthaRickey at 07/29/10 03:59PM        Post ID#: #39162

QP, somebody better do the math because your numbers don't add up the way you think they do. As only one example, "educating the offspring of illegals" is another way of saying "educating native-born United States citizens" so you can subtract that $52,000,000,000.00 from the overall cost, because we're going to be paying it anyway and glad to do it. Unless, of course, you want a generation of U.S. voters raised and educated outside this country. Now, there's a plan for future greatness!! Also, FAIR may tout themselves as "nonpartisan" but they have a clear agenda and few scruples in pushing it. Don't kid yourself that FAIR is being entirely, um, fair.

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Posted by jr1950 at 07/29/10 09:11PM        Post ID#: #39174

Martha,
""educating the offspring of illegals" is another way of saying "educating native-born United States citizens" so you can subtract that $52,000,000,000.00 from the overall cost, because we're going to be paying it anyway and glad to do it."

I always knew that this is how amnesty proponents come up with their phony statistics. Thanks for finally admitting it.

So when the illegals give birth on our side of the border, we're supposed to ignore the costs they impose on the tax payer. That's a neat trick!

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Posted by MarthaRickey at 07/29/10 09:25PM        Post ID#: #39177

Well, gee, the Constitution is full of neat tricks. Too bad for you.

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Posted by jr1950 at 07/29/10 09:49PM        Post ID#: #39180

Finally, a part of the constitution that libs believe in. Four libs on our supreme court just ruled that the 2nd amendment (right to bear arms) doesn't apply to individuals, but libs will fight to the death to force tax payers to pay for anchor babies.

Of course the part of the constitution Martha refers to was written to give citizenship to the children of slaves, who were forced to come here. Obviously this law was never intended to give citizenship to the children of foreigners who sneak across our borders, but it is what it is and illegals will continue to milk it until we change it.

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Posted by Quixotic_Pursuit at 07/29/10 09:52PM        Post ID#: #39181

Well Martha, here’s another really neat trick in the constitution, it also stipulates that our government needs to secure our boarders, and to protect us from any clear and present dangers. If turning our entire country into Tijuana doesn’t seem like a clear and present danger to you, then maybe you should move there. While you’re at it, I know some people you can take with you…

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Posted by Quixotic_Pursuit at 07/29/10 09:55PM        Post ID#: #39182

We need an amendment to the constitution to resolve the whole “anchor baby” problem, as well as one that allows for the deportation of Liberals.

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Posted by Quixotic_Pursuit at 07/29/10 09:55PM        Post ID#: #39183

We need an amendment to the constitution to resolve the whole “anchor baby” problem, as well as one that allows for the deportation of Liberals.

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Posted by jr1950 at 07/29/10 09:57PM        Post ID#: #39184

Won't happen under this president. His aunt is an illegal alien, and he would rather sue states for enforcing the border, than actually do his job.

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Posted by gjsmitty at 07/29/10 10:49PM        Post ID#: #39186

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Posted by ogre at 07/30/10 01:29AM        Post ID#: #39188

", it also stipulates that our government needs to secure our boarders, and to protect us from any clear and present dangers."


When have you ever seen opposition to this? We try to paint a clearer picture of the innocent, but its clear to me that all of you are only interested in painting immigrants in the worse possible light.

We want to kick out the bad and keep in the good. Whats really sad is that innocent children brought here against their will are occasionally compared to drug cartels 2 thousand miles away from Yakima county. Yep, its that pathetic.

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Posted by Quixotic_Pursuit at 07/31/10 06:07PM        Post ID#: #39381

Ogre, you’re joking right? Kick out the bad, keep the good? NO! They all broke the law, thus, they all need to go! And quit simplifying this to a Mexico Only issue. There are illegal immigrants from other countries too, and they need to get the boot as well. They all need to be rounded up, and shipped to where ever they came from!

A law is only a law so long as its enforced, it becomes a suggestion when it is only enforced when convenient. It becomes racist, when the people of one country are exempt from a law, but everyone else is held to it.

No more anchor babies, no more welfare for illegals, no more turning a blind eye. Round em’ up, ship em’ home. Americans need jobs NOW, not illegals willing to do jobs for cut rates!

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Posted by gjsmitty at 08/01/10 11:50AM        Post ID#: #39397

But, I do like their food!

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Posted by Imback at 08/02/10 04:52PM        Post ID#: #39437

We want to kick out the bad and keep in the good. Whats really sad is that innocent children brought here against their will are occasionally compared to drug cartels 2 thousand miles away from Yakima county. Yep, its that pathetic.
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It is really too bad that their fellow country men have created a negative taste in the US mouth. But that is their problem not mine.

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