City Council rekindles bikini barista debate

Recent investigation of lingerie coffee stands forces city of Yakima to examine its policy
by Chris Bristol
Yakima Herald-Republic

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YAKIMA, Wash. -- The Yakima City Council may be poised to consider stricter regulations for so-called bikini coffee stands after police said they saw scantily clad baristas serving up more than an extra shot or two with lattes and mochas.

Police reports obtained by the Yakima Herald-Republic reveal that last week's indecent exposure citations at the Dreamgirls coffee stand on Yakima Avenue was actually part of a larger undercover sting involving several other "lingerie" coffee stands that have popped up around town in the past year and a half.

No laws were being broken, but officers said a "booty shake" known as a Five Dollar Holler was offered at one stand on South First Street, while another on Washington Avenue has pole dancing similar to what is found in strip clubs.

Several City Council members said they were troubled by the reports and want the council to reconsider beefing up the city's new adult business ordinance.

"I just think it's wrong, and if there's something we can do, I'd love to readdress it," Councilwoman Maureen Adkison said.

Also annoyed was Council-man Dave Edler, who as mayor last year led an unsuccessful effort to bring bikini coffee stands under the adult business ordinance -- a move recently adopted by both city of Everett and Snohomish County.

"I continue to have concerns about the image of our community," Edler said. "Communities everywhere have tried to regulate adult businesses for a reason."

However, not everyone on the council agrees with the concerns expressed by Adkison and Edler.

Several said they have competing concerns about interfering with the private sector and believe the city has bigger problems to worry about.

"When this went around last time, I received a tremendous amount of input saying leave it alone," Councilwoman Kathy Coffey said.

Councilmen Rick Ensey and Bill Lover said they view the matter as more of a health-code issue and are not interested in revisiting the subject.

"I hope our police are concentrating more on street prostitution," Lover said.

"I just don't see it going anywhere," added Ensey. "It's not that big a deal."

But Mayor Micah Cawley and newly elected Councilman Dave Ettl said they were inclined to side with Adkison and Edler.

Cawley doubted the need for a new ordinance, but agreed that "maybe further action needs to be taken."

"There's a difference between serving coffee in skimpy clothing and serving coffee along with, um ... other services," he said.

"Certainly it raises a red flag," added Ettl, who wondered out loud, "At what point is a coffee business something else?"


Undercover investigation

Last month, police launched an undercover investigation into activities at bikini coffee stands in response to citizen complaints.

On Dec. 5, according to the reports, a barista at Moulin Brew, 2412 S. First St., performed a free bent-at-the-waist "booty shake" for an undercover officer that was described as a sample of something called a Five Dollar Holler.

Police said later that same day, a barista at the Deja Brew coffee stand, 315 W. Washington Ave., performed a free pole dance. Police said they were told the service normally would cost $5.

Neither action appeared to violate city ordinances and the baristas' clothing did not run afoul of the city's indecency ordinance, police said.

In fact, the officer who witnessed the pole dance described it as "not lewd" -- the barista performed only a single twirl around the pole -- and said no other "services" were offered.

Meanwhile, officers noted that a Dreamgirls barista at 10 W. Yakima Ave. "proudly" told an undercover officer that her stand does not do Five Dollar Hollers or provide any other service other than coffee.

During the investigation, a Dreamgirls barista was seen in a G-string, but officers said the barista they spoke to on a follow-up visit was dressed in less-revealing attire described in reports as a "naughty Santa" outfit.

Police said a fourth Yakima bikini coffee stand known as Brewlesque, 326 N. First St., was not open the day they conducted their sting. Brewlesque was the city's first "sexpresso" stand when it opened in the summer of 2008.

In the aftermath of the undercover operation, police sent warning letters via certified mail to the owners of the coffee stands reminding them of the city's updated indecent exposure ordinance.

The City Council updated the ordinance last summer after Edler complained about the proliferation of coffee stands in Yakima and across the Northwest featuring scantily clad baristas.

The amended ordinance clarified what kind of clothing is allowed in public. Anyone wearing only see-through apparel or a G-string -- regardless of whether they are working at a coffee stand -- could be prosecuted.

Acting on rumors of Thong Wednesday at Dreamgirls, two uniformed officers cited a Dreamgirls barista on Jan. 6 for wearing a G-string.

Police said the barista told them her outfits, including the G-string, were provided by Dreamgirls owner Cheryl Clark. According to the police reports, photographs on the exterior of the stand showed other baristas wearing G-strings as well.

Clark also received a citation for indecent exposure, which is a misdemeanor subject to up to 90 days in jail and a fine of up to $1,000. Both she and her employee pleaded not guilty in Municipal Court last Friday.

In their reports, one officer described Clark as "somewhat argumentative" and said she asked the officers to cite only her and not her employee.

"(Clark) was very upset, saying she (the barista) was not naked and therefore should not be cited," Officer Erik Horbatko wrote.

Clark has not returned several calls seeking comment on the allegations. Neither did the owners of Moulin Brew, Kevin and Jody Green. A contact number for Deja Brew owner Juanita Sanchez was not immediately available.


A statewide issue

The proliferation of so-called sexpresso stands is not unique to Yakima, where there are four such establishments, plus one in Union Gap.

Except for the single allegation of indecent exposure, there are no allegations of illegal behavior at the Yakima stands. However, critics point to Everett, where police last September busted five employees of Grab-n-Go Espresso on prostitution charges.

The allegations include claims the baristas exposed themselves, licked whipped cream off one another and posed naked for pictures.

In response, the Everett City Council recently passed an ordinance classifying bikini coffee bars as adult businesses. The measure requires the coffee stands to be licensed as adult entertainment if the coffee servers are partly nude. Employees and customers have to be at least 18.

On Monday, Snohomish County added bikini coffee stands to the list of businesses it regulates as adult entertainment and tightened the county's lewd conduct law.

Pam James, a staff attorney for the Municipal Research and Services Center in Seattle, said bikini coffee stands appear to be a Northwest phenomena and that public officials across the region are looking for regulatory direction.

She supported the recent steps taken in Snohomish County and said dancing by scantily clad baristas "clearly crosses the line" into the realm of adult entertainment.

"Even though it's offensive, it's good news for (Yakima) because that means they can start to regulate," she said.

Sounding a more cautious note was Yakima Assistant City Attorney Cynthia Martinez, who clarified earlier comments about men being caught masturbating in the parking lot near some of the businesses. She said the problem is endemic to all coffee stands where women work, not just bikini coffee stands.

Martinez said city officials are "monitoring" reports of beyond-coffee activities and also are aware of the recent steps taken in Snohomish County.

"If the City Council is interested in exploring that ordinance, then that's what I'll do," she said, describing the Snohomish County ordinance as "viable."

 

* Chris Bristol can be reached at 509-577-7748 or cbristol@yakimaherald.com.



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Posted by Difranco at 01/14/10 07:44AM        Post ID#: #23524

Um... should this really be a concern for government? Let's see nobody is forced to work there, nobody is forced frequent those establishments... so as far as I can tell nobody's person or property were violated.

Yet everyday that I ready this paper there is another stabbing, shooting, or burglary. Yet the city sends "detectives" out to find "crimes" where nobody was injured or had their rights violated.

I am sure the "Detectives" must love this kind of "work" because it's low risk, they get cheap thrills, and get to drink their coffee. These baristas aren't going to run or fight back like the real criminals out there shooting, stabbing and robbing from people.

And for the nannies out there complaining about women that are scantily dressed. Just because you find it immoral does not mean there should be a "law".

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Posted by huh at 01/14/10 07:52AM        Post ID#: #23527

Sun bathing in your back yard and using Franklin pool may be the next targets of Mr. Edler and his morals police.

Doesn't the city authorities have anything better to do than to regulate what we can and can not see? Next, they will want to tax my eye glasses.

Difranco, you said my peace very well indeed. Thank you.

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Posted by RWBSocks at 01/14/10 08:01AM        Post ID#: #23529

If Dave Edler and his holier-than-thou brethren were concerned about the reputation of Yakima, they would immediately resign their postions in city leadership and stop attempting to impose their notions of decency on all of us. For the life of me, I do not see why adult men and women get so exercised about breasts and buttocks. We've all got'em. Leave free enterprise alone.

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Posted by huh at 01/14/10 08:06AM        Post ID#: #23530

My unofficial poll shows that most people who have gotten coffee at one of these stands find it pretty good. Likewise for other stands around the city. The conclusion of the poll is that if you want a good cup of coffee you have several options available. Mr. Edler and his gang have many choices. Maybe his church should set up a stand and sell their own coffee and then they will never be forced to frequent these questionable establishments. They could even use the slogan "Better morals means better coffee." Don't worry, I won't sue you if you use it.

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Posted by harley at 01/14/10 08:18AM        Post ID#: #23535

Okay, picture in your head...I'm sitting here reading this article and I've got both hands in front of me weighing the issue. Scantily dressed barista...gun toting gang banger...sorry Yakima PD, the gun toting gang banger seems a little more important for you to be spending your time on. Quit wasting your time on these chicks, and do the RIGHT thing instead of what's easier. You do after all, get PAID to do that you know! I'm starting to wish we could vote for the officers on payroll. Some of you would be soooo outta here!

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Posted by RPA at 01/14/10 08:21AM        Post ID#: #23537

I wish our city spent as much energy trying to catch taggers in the act of spray painting private property as they do trying to catch an eyefull of the "five dollar holler."

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Posted by sid515 at 01/14/10 08:38AM        Post ID#: #23542

HEY DAVE!!!AND MAUREEN!!!HOW BOUT LETTING BUSSINESSES RUN AND CONTRIBUTE TO THE BUDGET ISSUES!!!! AND NOT WORRY ABOUT SOMEONE WHO IS NOT HURTING ANYONE....FOR CHRIST SAKE GET A REAL CLUE AS TO THE ISSUES AT HAND!!!! IF YOU DON'T LIKE THE COFFEE DON'T GO THERE, BUT LET A BUSSINESS RUN AND CONTRIBUTE TO SOCIETY BY PAYING TAXES!!!!WHICH IS WHAT THEY ARE DOING....
....WHY IS THE CITY SPENDING RESOURCES IN STAKING OUT A PLACE LIKE A COFFEE SHOP...WHEN THEY SHOULD BE PATROLLING THE GANG RIDDEN NEIGHBORHOODS!!!!!!
.....HOW BOUT A RE-ELECTION YAKIMA???
...DAVE keep your Religious issues out of the council, this country was founded by people running from religious persecution and now you want to impose your beliefs on us, how bout we tell you what to belief because last i checked "we are the people" you work for US!!!!or did you forget that quick????

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Posted by sid515 at 01/14/10 08:41AM        Post ID#: #23543

And for Maureen...please cast the first stone, and tell me and the rest of Yakima that you never did anything wild when you were young....please tell me that, so that we can spend a couple city detectives researching your background!!!

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Posted by Redwolf at 01/14/10 08:54AM        Post ID#: #23547

Wow I guess scantily clad Baristas are a bigger problem in Yakima than we all thought.

Why chase criminals when you can "investigate" a beautiful girl from a block away thru binoculars as she does her job.
(sounds like Barista stalking)

This is a better job than trying to stop gangs or crime in Yakima.

Dave lost his position as Mayor after making Yakima look like a po-dunk backwater town in the national media.(read REDBOOK and WALL STREET JOURNAL)


Coffe stand are just Coffee stands

Go find a real criminal to bust

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Posted by Aurelius at 01/14/10 08:58AM        Post ID#: #23548

They cAN'T STOP anything. Alot of people like it. I've been there a few times. Come on don't lie. I don't like crack sales or alchol, drugs or any type of crime but they can't stop it from happening. Now if the Baristas were slangin rocks outta the window then we might have a problem, but Oh ya I remember or heard of when in the early 1900's in or around Ellensburg county (lol) if 3 or more Indians were together it was considered a (war party) and people were allowed by law to shoot and kill them. U already knw I don't agree with that. Hey ay thats a true story, yo. May be we should bring back those days. Ayye! to tell u the truth i SINCERELY believe that those days are coming back.

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Posted by dcwrx at 01/14/10 09:06AM        Post ID#: #23552

I really cant believe our tax dollars are being wasted on this issue. the building where I work gets tagged by gang bangers twice a week... and Police are staking out drive up coffee stands? ARE YOU FRICKING KIDDING ME? As far as I can tell these places are very popular and are making good money. Therefor paying taxes, which pay the wages of people employeed by the city. It makes no sence to me. Why would they try to stop income from coming into the city? The "Bikini Coffee Bars" are the new thing and they are very popular and Im sure they will be around for a long time to come. Oh yea, and I can see girls (adults and children) in Bikinis at any of the public pools in the summer time but I dont hear anything about the city trying to put a stop to that. I have lost all respect for out City Officials. And dont even get me started on our Police force. God help us...

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Posted by tk421 at 01/14/10 09:09AM        Post ID#: #23553

Wow, the KIT caucus is even against the barista's. Mayor Ceefus and Ettl would even side with the morality police. I'd think that they'd be more pro-business. Isn't businesses who buy air from those two and keep them employed???

It's just a joke to me that we have police officers who can have time to stakeout coffee shops, yet nobody has a clue what do to about our gang problem. Last I knew, barista's weren't shooting at each other...maybe shooting water guns for Wet T-shirt Wednesday!!

How about this...get our drug and gang problems under control and then you can focus on coffee stands...it's called priorities!!

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Posted by Sinisterplan at 01/14/10 09:13AM        Post ID#: #23554

You have got to be kidding me!!! What the @#$% is wrong with our city leaders???? Really?? You spend money to conduct an "undercover" sting on bikini coffee stands?? Wow, just wow. And we wonder why our city is falling apart and is terrorized by gangs, drugs, and violence.
Our police force is spending their days doing what must be a horrible task of waching hot girls in bikinis make coffee. Must be a hard life. Edler, Adkinson, and Ettle need to check their priorities Cawley too. You 4 are an unbelievable disgrace to your seats worrying about this pettty matter when people are being killed, raped, and robbed all over the city. Stop trying to push YOUR views on other people, if you don't like it DON'T GO!
At least Lover, Ensey, and Coffey have it right, too bad only 3 out of the 7 are committed to cracking down on gangs and violence rather than wasting our resources for a war on "butt cleavage".

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Posted by lucylover at 01/14/10 09:20AM        Post ID#: #23555

Ditto to Difranco and RPA!

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Posted by bulldog at 01/14/10 09:21AM        Post ID#: #23556

The City Council should not waste any more time on this issue; it doesn't look like anything illegal is going on. Also, to the extent that any thing needs to be done in terms of monitoring or inspections, it should be handled by the city code enforcement department. Our police officers should be focusing on real criminal matters and not conducting sting operations on coffee stands. This barrista controversy is more of a civil matter and should be treated as such.

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Posted by FreeToSpeak at 01/14/10 09:22AM        Post ID#: #23557

Undercover task forces

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Posted by draino at 01/14/10 09:32AM        Post ID#: #23559

What a waste of tax payers money, why don't they get out and get the real criminals. This seems to be the norm for the city of Yakima and our county. Also since our great govenor wants to create more taxes, maybe they should legalize protitution and impose a tax like all other business have to pay.

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Posted by dcwrx at 01/14/10 09:42AM        Post ID#: #23560

This whole issue has got me going. I have to say more.
I have a TV in my house (and I live in the City of Yakima) and at anytime of the day I can push a button and watch full blow @#$%. I choose not to go to those channels but I do have the option. it is available to me and anyone else in this City who has cable. Same with the internet. Just because its there does not mean you have to watch, its a personal choice. Next thing you know the city council is going to put a stop to all cable tv channels coming into our city that show more than fully clothed people. Anyway you see where I going with this. Leave the poor girls alone. Young beautiful women taking advantage of what the LORD gave them, and many of them working their way through college, trying to better themselves. AND THE CITY HAS A PROBLEM WITH THIS?????? I am going support the young beautiful women at this point. BULLYS!!!!

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Posted by BuckarooCoyote at 01/14/10 09:43AM        Post ID#: #23561

Prime Time and soap operas..Oh yeah..Its Yakima..Really people..Im more concerned about the drive by's and the tagging than wether or not someone is showing their butt clevage. Oh wait..Morality..thats right..
Seriously get your priorities straight!

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Posted by leiac at 01/14/10 09:52AM        Post ID#: #23564

I wonder how many prostitutes were walking N. First while these stings were going on? This whole issue is absolutely ridiculous.

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Posted by sid515 at 01/14/10 10:00AM        Post ID#: #23565

WOW....lets show the council how upset we are!!!! i am going to every one of those coffee shops and buying one just for the purpose of SUPPORT!!!!! i am even putting it out there for Dave, Dave, Maureen, and Micah....i will buy YOU 4 a coffee if you are up to showing me what is the big deal!!!! And the fines???? Please!!!

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Posted by JOHNNYMOSS at 01/14/10 10:14AM        Post ID#: #23567

"Men masturbating in parking lots..." doesn't sound like a problem to me. They should probably provide special parking for it though, kind of like a handicapped parking spot. Pull in, get your coffee and 5 dollar holler, hang your special permit in the window and go to town. Oh, and don't forget to wave at the kids walking home from school. Thank goodness this community isn't filled with sex offenders who would be drawn to and agitated by these types of establishments.

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Posted by JOHNNYMOSS at 01/14/10 10:17AM        Post ID#: #23568

Don't forget your parking permit Sid515

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Posted by crazyjc09 at 01/14/10 10:23AM        Post ID#: #23569

I have a serious question for Mr. Dave Ettl...

If you felt your political agenda was interfering with you being a pastor would you step down from political office? If you are truly as dedicated to your religion and faith then surely you would. Why then, when your religous beliefs are interfering with your position of political power will you not walk away??
The Country was founded as One Nation Under God. It was also founded with Free Will, and Freedom of Religion. You are welcome to your belief's and opinions but you are not by any means allowed to limit my options when it comes to me using free will to go where I want for a cup of coffee. Free Will is the ability to choose between options good and bad. In your religious zeal you believe that taking away the good still maintains free will. WRONG!
If you want to call these places adult business then I demand you label the AM-PM on North First across from the Clarion an adult business. That place has so many prostitues going through it you feel like you'll get an STD if you touch the gas pumps.
You are wasting my money on your personal religious agenda and I object Sir! I want to feel safe in my town. Take away the violence, take away the drugs. When the crime is below the extreme level we have been living with and our economy is moving and our town shows that then go after a chick in a bikini.
Personally your actions have made me and many citizens of this town sick to our stomachs! The only religious reference you bring to my mind is the hypocritical religous leaders that persecuted Jesus because they believed he was in the wrong. Or maybe you remind me somewhat of the serpent with Eve telling her your way is the right way...

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Posted by crazyjc09 at 01/14/10 10:37AM        Post ID#: #23575

Let me clarify my previous post. I have absolutely no objections to anyone's personal religous beliefs.

I just do not want religous beliefs to dictate where my tax dollars go.

I want priorities based on overall public safety, economic growth, healthy living and positive action that shows positive results.

If one thing has been shown from all of this, it is this; Even the people who don't particularly want those business's here are upset by the action being taken at this time. Our town has far more serious problems.

I do not like Mr. Ettl's leadership obviously, and I am worried that he is persudaing some of the more unbiased politicans of our town to turn away from the important issues they promised to address when they took office. His time has come to an end. Please leave gracefully. Those who follow in his wake, please learn this lesson. Push for the greater issues right now. Win those battles or at least show a marked improvment before you become involved with side projects that follow your personal beliefs and interests, not necessarily the whole community's.

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Posted by crazyjc09 at 01/14/10 10:50AM        Post ID#: #23577

And to clarify I meant Edler LOL

I type fast when I'm upset. Forgive me!

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Posted by RollEyes at 01/14/10 11:53AM        Post ID#: #23582

Oh, goody! The Sexpresso wars are back!

Yakima City Council, you never fail me. Just when I was thinking things out there were quiet... too quiet... you bring back this clever redirection tactic.

I guess Edler and his ilk believe that if they generate enough Puritanistic sturm und drang about bikinis and Five Dollar Hollers, nobody will notice what a poor job they're doing of running the city.

I bet the YPD undercover (heh-heh) officers are loving their workdays right about now.

Oh Yakima, what would we do without your city leaders' self-righteous posturing? Life would be so boring...

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Posted by mickey at 01/14/10 12:18PM        Post ID#: #23590

their trashy and tacky. i don't think we need endless laws though. we just need to enforce the ones we have. their weird businesses, i've never seen anything like that before in any of the places i've lived in in any of the states i've lived in. some of them were large cities including vegas. coffee and bimbos is an odd combination.

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Posted by Averagejoe at 01/14/10 12:29PM        Post ID#: #23592

So I assume most of you previous posters would be in favor of topless espresso stands? After all, two consenting adults, no one is forced to go there, if you don't like it don't look. Using those "standards" I guess then that there would be NO standards.

Strip clubs have no windows for a reason. It's called ADULT entertainment. And it's closed off from public view and to minors. Don't you guys get it? And left to their own devices these coffee stands will degenerate to adult entertainment.

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Posted by ForYourInfo at 01/14/10 12:32PM        Post ID#: #23594

What does this say about the mentality of the council? What does this say about how our police force uses its resources. I highly doubt this isn't the only thing they have needlessly wasted our tax dollars on.

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Posted by ForYourInfo at 01/14/10 12:35PM        Post ID#: #23596

So does this mean that detectives have solved the first homicde of the year and now have nothing else to do but enforce city codes.

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Posted by crazyjc09 at 01/14/10 12:35PM        Post ID#: #23597

AVERAGE JOE,

Get it straight. They aren't topless. They wear the equivelant of a bikini. I suppose you probably think wearing two piece bathings suits to the pools and beaches are @#$% then?

It's not about standards at this point anyways. If you had really read the majority of opinions expressed here it is about disagreeing with THE PRIOIRTIES CURRENTLY BEING SHOWN BY CITY COUNCIL AND LAW ENFORCEMENT. Our streets are dangerous and not because of these coffee stands.

And OBVIOUSLY, if they are selling more than coffee at the stands the support of them would be changed. Because you ASSUME things will "degenerate" to that you make yourself out to look very small minded. You can't demand action be taken on the what-ifs.

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Posted by JOHNNYMOSS at 01/14/10 12:50PM        Post ID#: #23599

Crazyjc09,
Taking action based on "what if's" is called planning ahead, being only reactionary is a sign of short sightedness. From what I understand they don't where swimsuits, they where lingerie, clothing designed specifically for the bedroom and it is obvious that many are selling more than coffee(I.e. 5 dollar holler)

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Posted by aamodtdb at 01/14/10 12:59PM        Post ID#: #23600

We have City officials (Mayor, City Manager, City Attorney, City Codes Manager) that turn a blind-eye to land developers that refuse to keep their pledge/promise to the City and home-buyers of enforcing the Protective Covenants in sub-divisions such as Cottonwood Grove...yet our City officials have time for B.S. like this?

The City of Yakima issues building permits to a contractor...the contractor lies to the city and potential home-buyers about enforcing the covenants...and the City refuses to hold the land developers feet to the fire.

Yet the City of Yakima will go back and issue MORE building permits to the same land-developer that out and out lies to us. I have an idea for the City Manager, the City Attorney, The Codes Manager and the City Council...Dust off your copy of their Wizard of OZ and get some brains...get some courage...get a heart.

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Posted by sid515 at 01/14/10 12:59PM        Post ID#: #23601

JOHNNYMOSS....or should i say Dave,Dave,Maureen,or Micah???? There is no prove of these "parking lots" and if there was, i'm sure your super detective squad would sit there with them....LETS BE REALISTIC HERE!!!! THESE BUSSINESSES ARE NOT HURTING ANYONE, LAST TIME I CHECKED WE IN THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA HAVE THE FREEDOM TO CHOOSE WHAT ESTABLISHMENT WE SUPPORT WITH OUR MONEY AND BUSSINESS!!! I think, and looks like the other 98% of the people posting agree that the police officers can be doing something more productive and worthwhile for our community, it sounds to me that you want to impose your religious nonsense on the rest of the city....so grow up and step down from the city council and wow good pen name "johnnymoss"...

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Posted by JOHNNYMOSS at 01/14/10 01:23PM        Post ID#: #23604

Sid515,
I'm sorry my username isn't better, It's hard to live up to the creative genius of "Sid515". Really you should write movies or something, it would be an injustice to all of mankind if you didn't use your literary prowess to entertain an educate the world.

I agree that Yakima has bigger problems than baristas offering peep shows, but that doesn't negate the fact that these stands do not help the image of Yakima to people around the state, especially to those who have seen them them degrade to the point of prostitution. It doesn't take a genius to relize that women in lingerie serving anything is adult entertainment, so classify it as such and let's move on.

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Posted by oracle at 01/14/10 01:23PM        Post ID#: #23605

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Posted by dcwrx at 01/14/10 01:26PM        Post ID#: #23606

JOHNNYMOSS...
From the postings here I can see that most agree with the huge waste of taxpayers dollars is the main concern here.
If men are sitting in parking lots near these places and pleasuring themselves, is it the fault of the "Bikini Baristas"? I think not. Sex offenders, Gang bangers, thieves, murderers, criminals in general are all around us. Should we put gun dealers out of business for selling guns if the gun ends up in the hand of a gang member or a murder? Probably not. Dont blame the people who are trying to make an honest living for the criminal actions of others. that is just rediculous...
Also I think I am going to start my own drive up expresso bar and Call it something like "Sun and Fun Expresso" and the girls will wear swimwear only. (not lingerie) Problem solved. Same kind of clothing you can see out in the open at any of the "CITY" pools. And you people will still have a problem with it. Am i right???? I think I am.....

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Posted by dart4forte at 01/14/10 01:38PM        Post ID#: #23608

The real problem is that we don't have leaders we have managers and even that is questionable. The only way it's going to change is for some real leaders to step forward and take charge of that mob called the city council. Listen up Yakima!!!! It's time to stop electing self serving good ole boys and some of the other bafoons we've had over the past several years and get some leaders in there will will take care of business.

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Posted by Whattt at 01/14/10 01:49PM        Post ID#: #23610

I was against Ettl, Adkison and Ceefus being elected for the seats on the city council from the beginning, and was totally against a 25 year old given the position of mayor. I hate to say "I told you so", but I told you so. People in this backwards city are getting exactly what they deserve by putting these people in positions of "power". This is just the beginning...you ain't seen nothin' yet. Good luck.

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Posted by jaeggertam at 01/14/10 01:49PM        Post ID#: #23611

Seems to me that no matter what the city Council does or says, there are going to be those of you who will criticize the way they do it. I do not always agree with them, but one thing I do agree with is they are doing the best they can with what they have. There have been enough public complaints about these scantily clad individuals, that they had to look into the problem, to see IF there was a problem. If they had done NOTHING, there would be those who would complain about that too. The only thing that I can say about Mayor Cawley's comments on the subject is: it is HIS job to validate the concerns and complaints of the citizens of Yakima and if an under cover operation is what it takes to see if there is something being offered more than just coffe at these establishments, then that's what should be done. A $5.oo Hollar, does not a cup of coffee make!! Nor does a "Pole dance". They shut down the Corrall a long time ago!!! If that is what an Espresso stand is offering, then that is WRONG. But to put down the City Council for looking into a problem that has so many citizens complaining to City Hall about, then you all have your head in the sand! As far as more Serious problems being looked into such as gangs and violence, they only have so much control over those situations. That train has left the station!!! our police cheif and his staff have those issues to deal with so complain about them for a while.

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Posted by logical at 01/14/10 01:58PM        Post ID#: #23613

I agree with all the above . This city has far too many other important issues to deal with than this . What a ridiculous waste of resources . I am more concerned with the gang bangers , taggers , meth heads , burglar's , thieves , taggers and the violence in our community. Let's spend our money where it will do the most good , not waste it on this B.S.

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Posted by huh at 01/14/10 02:18PM        Post ID#: #23616

If I may ask,

How many complaints has the city fielded regarding the coffee stands?

How many complaints has the city fielded regarding the gangs and violence we have?

How many complaints has the city fielded regarding tagging?

How can all this be put into some kind of perspective without some working info?

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Posted by harley at 01/14/10 02:18PM        Post ID#: #23617

Oracle, I'm not sure why you think that more than one person can't have the same opinion, thereby assuming that it is one person using different screen names. That makes no sense to me.
Call me prude, I don't like these shops either and if I ever heard that my husband went to one, well, he'd be sleeping on the couch for at least one night. But the majority of people on here aren't saying whether the shops themselves are right or wrong. They are simply saying that our city's police force (joke), and monies could be used to serve the public in more important ways than wasteful lingerie coffee stings. Oh, and I find it hard to believe that "all across the country", Yakima is known as "sexpresso stand county". I think you forget just how big this country is.

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Posted by RollEyes at 01/14/10 02:30PM        Post ID#: #23619

oracle: Yakima has for many years had a reputation for being one of the most conservative, repressed cities in the state, on the surface... yet there is so much illicit sex and other "underground" activity going on behind the scenes, it would shock a French bordello madame!

And this isn't the only time Yakima has hit the national headlines with sexually titillating news. Back in the 1970's, the Blue Banjo and surrounding area, as well as other downtown hangout spots, were known statewide for being easy hooker pickup places. It wasn't until the then-city government instituted a wide "clean up the city's image" sweep that the problem disappeared.

It didn't disappear, however, it just went to private clubs and homes.

No matter how you cut it, no matter how you condemn people based on your own straight-laced Puritan views, sex is here to stay, and when something has been kept hidden for so long by sexually repressed, humorless, judgmental people like you, it's going to come squeezing out from under the lid one way or another.

By pretending on the surface to be perfect and pure, while the vices thrive behind closed doors, Yakima invited this "outing". Now it's in everybody's face - literally! - and the current City Council can't do anything substantial about it because there are more important life-and-death issues on the agenda.

Yakima created this situation by trying to maintain a facade of propriety while ignoring the rot beneath. Well, the rot is rising and now it's too late for the stiff-lipped martinets to lower the boom.

And I find that highly amusing.

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Posted by sjuan2 at 01/14/10 02:32PM        Post ID#: #23620

Wow, people really get upset when you threaten to take away their @#$%.

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Posted by sjuan2 at 01/14/10 02:33PM        Post ID#: #23621

@#$% gets bleeped now?

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Posted by summertimeblues at 01/14/10 02:38PM        Post ID#: #23622

That is what is wrong with today's society people refer to this kind of thing as -@#$%-

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Posted by summertimeblues at 01/14/10 02:38PM        Post ID#: #23623

I bet it was tough to find officers who wanted to be part of this sting.

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Posted by jaeggertam at 01/14/10 03:33PM        Post ID#: #23624

Whatt:
"I was against Ettl, Adkison and Ceefus being elected for the seats on the city council from the beginning, and was totally against a 25 year old given the position of mayor. I hate to say "I told you so", but I told you so. People in this backwards city are getting exactly what they deserve by putting these people in positions of "power". This is just the beginning...you ain't seen nothin' yet. Good luck"

Of all the poeple on the City Council, Cawley is the only one with enough Brains to work for the "PEOPLE OF THE CITY" instead of the special interest groups who only want what's best for THEM and thier pet projects. So many times I have watched the meetings on T.V. and it is HE that votes for what the People want. He does his research, knows the issues and listens to the general public and is straight forward about it. He's not unethical and "Tricky", like some, and has no special interest groups that demand anything of him. He does not have Bruce Smith pulling on HIS strings either. And, he's only been Mayor for a week!!! You make it sound like he's Obama or something. Give him a chance! He may just turn this "Backwards City" around and make it a place where we ALL want to live again.

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Posted by Starman at 01/14/10 04:08PM        Post ID#: #23632

I always wondered why we needed a SWAT Team in Yakima. Taking down a latte shop can be dangerous work. Eye strain!

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Posted by JOLOP1981 at 01/14/10 05:35PM        Post ID#: #23643

We should focus on keeping county and city vechicles out of these places to cause in more than one occasion I have been a witness..This is why our city is a joke cause of the type of people running it. I find it hard to believe that there are not more important subjects these clowns can work on. What a waste of city council. Maybe they should focus on the prostitution over down on first street im sure thats not bringing out a great image of the palm springs of washington.... by the way does anyone know who came up with that silly name???

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Posted by cw3sable at 01/14/10 06:30PM        Post ID#: #23653

Even the Lord our God knows we have more pressing matters than a "five dollar holler". I don't mind someone having morality just legislating your's onto someone else is uncalled for, and unwanted. Wake up call - WORK ON THE GANG PROBLEM!!!!

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Posted by Averagejoe at 01/14/10 06:44PM        Post ID#: #23654

Are you guys ok with dad and 10 year old johnny getting a five dollar holler? How about a five dollar holler that can be seen from the sidewalk?

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Posted by RollEyes at 01/14/10 07:15PM        Post ID#: #23655

Averagejoe, guess what? If daddy doesn't want little Johnny to see it, he should take little Johnny to kid-friendly places, not around Sexpresso stands.

Responsibility = the ability to respond. If something's going on that a parent doesn't want their kid to see, parents who are doing their job correctly respond by going elsewhere.

You are not responsible for little Johnny and what he sees or doesn't see, unless he is your child. If he is not, then you are only responsible for yourself.

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Posted by RollEyes at 01/14/10 07:23PM        Post ID#: #23659

JOLOP1981, that phrase was coined by the Lukehart brothers of Yakima, Gary and Roger, the latter of whom passed away recently. They put up a sign at their place of business by the freeway, Trail Wagons, Inc., many years ago. That sign referred to Yakima as the "Palm Springs of Washington". I believe the phrase was made up by them, so now you know who to blame.

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Posted by aamodtdb at 01/14/10 08:33PM        Post ID#: #23664

The Palm Springs of Washington is a daily embarrassment to the community. Kinda like our City Manager...Our City Council...Our Mayor...our City Attorney...Our City Codes Manager...

For the rest of the State of Washington, Yakima remains the laughing stock of the State.

The Palm Springs of Washington? Really? You can put a ribbon on a dog, but you've still got a dog!

As they say in "AA"...nothing changes until something changes!

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Posted by FreeToSpeak at 01/14/10 09:46PM        Post ID#: #23669

Re:AverageJoe...
"So I assume most of you previous posters would be in favor of topless espresso stands? After all, two consenting adults, no one is forced to go there, if you don't like it don't look. Using those "standards" I guess then that there would be NO standards.

Strip clubs have no windows for a reason. It's called ADULT entertainment. And it's closed off from public view and to minors. Don't you guys get it? And left to their own devices these coffee stands will degenerate to adult entertainment."



Actually, don't YOU get it AverageJoe?? There was ONE violation after an undercover sting operation. These stands have been left to their own devices for over a year and other than a thong underwear citing, they have not degenerated to activities that would be considered "Adult Entertainment". If these girls are wearing the proper amount of clothing they can dance, slide around a pole or do somersaults in the work place. You may not like it, but it is legal. Keep pushing for regulation as Adult Entertainment and you will get what you asked for. You will see a slew of new establishments going into business and they WILL be topless...but you'll get your blacked out windows!!

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Posted by Sinisterplan at 01/15/10 09:22AM        Post ID#: #23720

I find it hilarious that every person that is in support of this is willing to look past the incredible waste of resources and lack of priorities by our leaders simply because they don't like these Coffee Shops. When one of your family members catches a stray bullet from a gang members gun, maybe then you will change your tune....by then it will be too late.

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Posted by Averagejoe at 01/15/10 11:55AM        Post ID#: #23758

Freetospeak, if they are not breaking CURRENT law then I have no problem with them and they have nothing to fear. Current law says no g-strings and that line was crossed. It seems some people are ok with THAT. I am not, that's all. I'm saying-monitor them occaisonally and make sure they are operating within the law. If you don't keep on top of them(pun intended) then I believe they will cross the line into adult entertainment. PROBLEM. G-string, nipple slip, you get the picture.

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Posted by Averagejoe at 01/15/10 12:01PM        Post ID#: #23761

Rolleyes, obviously I'm not talking about a responsible parent taking young Johnny with him to the sexpresso stand. A responsible parent wouldn't do that. I'm talking about an idiot parent taking little Johnny along and Johnny seeing something meant for adult eyes. If these girls are allowed to wear g-strings and do booty shakes then yes, since they are not restricted as an adult business, there will be nothing that can be done about the irresponsible parent. That's why we need to keep it above board and not allow it to digress down the slippery slope. Understand?

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Posted by GeneralJohnPatton at 01/19/10 05:43PM        Post ID#: #24149

Whattt wrote "I was against Ettl, Adkison and Ceefus being elected for the seats on the city council from the beginning, and was totally against a 25 year old given the position of mayor. I hate to say "I told you so""

Despite his youth Cawley has proven his willingness to work in the best interest of this community he has always called home. From your previous posts you appear to be more inclined to another way of thinking.

In your entire meaningless life you'll probably not accomplish half of what this 25 year old has already done. AND this is only the beginning for him. Sounds more like jealosy than anything else.

Besides, who cares who or what you are against.

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