While I sympathize with them I have to ask, do they ever wonder what the huge influxe of illegal aliens does to our working families. Most people do not realize that an illegal alien mother can be on full welfare, food stamps, etc. and the father of her children can live right there in the house with them and because he is an illegal he does not exist for DSHS. A citezen would go to prison for this. So it's not a single parent household. It looks like a solid American family. This severly depresses wages for the working poor and at the same time severely increases rents. I can't help suspecting that if a grower knows a guys got a family on welfare, that he maybe doesn't cut their paycheck in half, possibly telling them that's how it's done. No wonder racial problems are flaring up and if Patty Murray doesn't know this than I don't know what to think.

Patty Murray doesn't care what the facts are or what the legal population thinks about the issue. It is Democratically proper to support the idea of Illegal; that is until they can find a way to make voters out of them. Then the point becomes moot and the dems have a huge block of voters to insure they get elected time and time again.

Illegal = Good (unless the illegal involves robbing a bank or something)

huh
Not to mention that they also obtain a willing zombie army who can arise at the snap of their fingers to harrass anybody complaining. But I don't agree that it's truly a democratic party thing. It's taken on a life of its own here. The bizare thing is that it can produce a very hard right wing "nazi" like manifestation. I've seen some of these really poor working folks turned in to what looks like the guards at the WWII death camps. Anxious to get someone sent off to the "glue factory" to assuage the pain of their own lives.

Wimpi,
If they are sending select pols to the glue factory, can we make a few suggestions?

Wimpi, I agree with the first parts of your comment. Imagine that.

The problem with the Latino point of view in this article is that they forget that amnesty is a REWARD FOR CRIMINAL BEHAVIOR of sneaking into our country first, then making it an even more serious crime by obtaining False ID. That doesn't work and is an injustice, if granted, to all who came here LEGALLY.

The politicians simply want to sweep all this under the rug and ignore the rights of legal immigrants, while granting those rights to criminals. How is that the right thing to do?

In the process, they are also ignoring the rights of citizens who will, in fact, do many of the jobs taken by these people, just not at slave wage rates.

It is time to stop the hidden subsidy to employers who are breaking the law. Time to prosecute these employers. When the jobs for illegals disappear, due to proper and righteous enforcement of our immigration laws, then the illegals will have no choice but to leave.

They sure expect a lot from this country especially when a majority are here illegally. Too bad they can't/won't do that in their own country.

Don't worry,Aunt Patty will take care of it.
Her voting record shows that.

Patty Murry is "Clueless". She sould be forced to live in East Yakima next to a house full of "Gangbangers" for a year or two. After painting out graffiti for the 50th time, having everything she owns stolen and her life threatened a few times for calling the police she can have an opinion on immigration reform. Until then it's just dribble from a feel good, so I can keep my "Position" politician. Next to worthless.

Starman, that's the problem right there. Those who make the decisions have no idea what the problems are. They don't care, they just throw a solution out, take the money and call it fixed. When was the last time Maria was over here anyway?

Now they don't have to live on the East side as you suggest, just listen to once in a while to those who do. The operative term here is listen, as in paying attention and actually comprehending what is being communicated.

If the "Latino's" do not like the way that we run things in our country they are more than welcome to go back and stay in their own!! Find your way here legally just like many others have and then we will talk about the rights that you have until then keep quiet or go home! We have let the whole illegal situation get way out of control thanks to our government and it is time to take back our country and make these people abide by by the American ways! The pitty party is over!

mainergirl,

Nice way of making yourself look real "smart" by assuming that every Latino is foreign-born and has another country "to go back to." It's because of that way of thinking that oftentimes Latinos (and other immigrant groups) can't fully assimilate as is so often demanded of them. No matter what any of them do, it's never enough to be seen as fully American.

For example, I'm Latino myself, but I was born in this country. My parents were born in this country, half of my grandparents were born in this country. You have to go back to my great-grandparents before finding that all of them were born in Mexico. Yet, I'm sure you'd see me as Hispanic first before seeing me as a fellow American. I'm extremely proud of my heritage, but I'm American first and foremost.

Regarding this article, I do feel bad for the families that get broken up due to raids, because we all know that there really are a lot of hard-working illegal immigrants that (although they're already criminals by being here) do their best to provide for their families and not bother anyone. I'm sympathetic to situations like that because I'm a family man myself.

However, on the other side it's difficult to feel bad when things get tough for them, because that's just the risk they take by being here illegally in the first place. Anyone who's ever done anything that's against the law (whether it's big or small) knows very well that theres always consequences for those actions.

Latino does not equal illegal.

Latino does not equal gangbanger

Illegal does not equal gangbanger

You cant generalize a population by the actions of some. Yes illegal is illegal but we cant have a serious debate on this until we get past the bs mentality of the above.

ForYourInfo,
You made the smartest and best comment....

Well, my theory is that social workers want them to stay illegal so when the go knocking door to door and tell them they HAVE to send their kids to special ed or EPIC, the illegals will do it.

Could so innocent sounding of a charitable ladies program actually be the real demon here? If so, that would be great to just have one main target. Are charitable ladies good at shutting people up?

As stated above: Patty is clueless (for sure) e-mail or write your views to her and others in the house and senate. This is the only way they will "see" what we see and live. So PLEASE, write your congressmen and representatives. Don't let them think that only a FEW care. They don't live HERE.

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Illegals, go home and get in line to come here legally. Until then, our representatives have no business even listening to your concerns.

Latinos huh? I dont know many people from latin america here. Hate when they categorize us that way. Mexican please.

Lower valley reader, I like seeing your post on here. Many people do not realize there are 5th generation hispanics in this valley. I am not hispanic but like them as sisters and brothers. And many people do not realize that when Texas and California were taken over by the United States that the hispanics were already a part of the United States > Now I am not downsizing this illegal problem. Because there is ahuge illegal problem. For example if illegals were shipped back. Sunnyside would have so many open rentals that it would impact the economic situation as much as this lousy city council. But not near as much as the Port of Sunnyside impacts the economic problem by them wanting control over all new industry and blocking housing !

The problem I see with this illegal thing is that many of the so-called high class hispanics are taking advantage of the illegals. This is filling the pockets of these liberal hispanics. I do not believe these liberal hispanics care abit about their fellow man unless there is a dollar in it for themselves!

Ohhhh Wimpi, you spoke too long! At first your reasoning was logical and made sense! Now you totally invalidated and discredited any sanity that sounded!

Oh, and Topp, by some of your previous blogs, I thought you were American! My mistake!

Wow, can't say I'm surprised that the exact same handful of racist xenophobes are over generalizing an ethnicity, race, and situation based on a couple of very ignorant misconceptions.


I bet you racists would get a heart attack if you knew the grand majority of illegal aliens pay taxes (both income and state sales tax)... yet recieve little to no benefits in return.


Nick, we get it, you don't like minorities, its pretty much all you talk about on this site, give it a rest.

Hey Wimpi....not all social workers support illegals raping our government of it's money with the government's blessing! In fact, many SWs wish the illegal population would go back from whence they came! Except of course, those SWs who either are of Mexican heritage or aren't savvy as to the costs to the American taxpaying citizen!

I'd also like to add, that illegal aliens with criminal records get deported 9 times out of ten.. so if you have a working family paying taxes, obeying all the laws, with kids in school... then why not give them an opportunity to get legal citizenship or residency? Most of you have no idea what you're talking about if you think that an illegal WANTS to be illegal, they'd rather be citizens like everyone else.


Its not black and white, and judging by previous posts made by some of you, its pretty pointless since bigots will be ignorant bigots no matter what.

I don't think Nick dislikes minorities at all! I think he hates the increased crimes and drain on our socio-economic system by ANYONE here illegally! It just so happens in our community, it happens to be primarily Mexicans from Mexico!

American voice, you DO know that more money is put into the government by illegal immigrants than what they take out, right? So how are they raping the government again? They put into social security and never see a dime in their lives.


Ignorance is bliss!

Actually, illegal immigrants have some of the lowest crime rates in the entire western hemisphere. They can't even get a traffic ticket without risking deportation.


Nice try though.

Actually, illegal immigrants have some of the lowest crime rates in the entire western hemisphere. They can't even get a traffic ticket without risking deportation.


Nice try though.

And why should grants be given to the children of people who entered this country illegally?

There is a system in place. Play by the rules. I would love to go to France for a while, think they would do as much for me as we do for those here illegally? Heck no! So I do not go live in France! Now if France put out benefits to poor me for being there illegally, I might just "go for it"!

Racism is often confused for what is causing the economic collapse of our society! Two totally different issues!

Ogre - check out who gets the most of the WIC benefits. I know people who even get HUD housing that are illegal, but their kids are "anchor babies" so they get welfare for them, medical, foodstamps, etc. Ogre, you are a fool..............

nchor Babies and Interpreting the 14th Amendment
It is well known that a person born in the United States is an automatic citizen regardless of the mother's citizenship status. However, the United States is unusual in its offer of citizenship to anyone born on U.S. soil. Only a few European countries still grant automatic citizenship at birth. The United Kingdom and Australia repealed their U.S. style policy in the 1980s after witnessing abuses similar to those plaguing the U.S. today. Why does the United States continue to allow a practice subject to widespread fraud? The answer lies in how American jurisprudence has interpreted the 14th Amendment to the Constitution.

The 14th Amendment was added to the Constitution as part of the post Civil War reforms aimed at addressing injustices to African Americans. It states that "all persons born or naturalized in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof are citizens of the United States" and was crafted so that state governments could never deny citizenship to anyone born in the United States. However, when the amendment was crafted, the United States had no immigration policy, and thus the authors saw no need to state explicitly, what they believed was understood. The phrase "subject to the jurisdiction thereof" was intended to exclude from automatic citizenship American-born persons whose allegiance to the United States was not complete. In the case of illegal aliens who are temporarily or unlawfully in the United States, because their native country has a claim of allegiance to the child, the completeness of the allegiance to the United States is impaired and logically precludes automatic citizenship.

"Every Person born within the limits of the United States, and subject to their jurisdiction, is by virtue of natural law and national law a citizen of the United States. This will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens, who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers accredited to the Government of the United States, but will include every other class of persons.
Senator Jacob Howard, Co-author of the citizenship clause of the 14th Amendment, 1866.

The Price We Pay

The Urban Institute estimates that the cost of educating an estimated 800,000 illegal alien school children in the nation's seven states with the highest concentration of illegals was $3.1 billion in 1993 (extrapolated to $4.6 billion in 1996 by FAIR), but this estimate does not at all take into account the additional costs of bilingual education or other special educational needs.
It is estimated that the number of children born to illegal aliens each year is 165,000. This figure is based on the crude birth rate of the total foreign-born population (33 birth per 1000) and the size of the illegal alien population (five million).
In 1994, California paid for 74,987 deliveries to illegal alien mothers, at a total cost of $215.2 million (an average of $2,842 per delivery). Illegal alien mothers accounted for 36 percent of all Medi-Cal funded births in California that year.
What This All Means and What Can Be Done

Higher Taxes: The federal government has control over immigration law for the United States. By not addressing this abuse, the funds that state and local governments must provide to anchor babies amounts to a virtual tax on U.S. citizens to subsidize illegal aliens.

Disrespect for the rule of law: By not closing this loophole, the federal government in effect rewards law-breakers and punishes those who have chosen to follow the rules and immigrate legally. Allowing illegal aliens to give birth to American citizens, in effect, makes citizenship a license for welfare. [Peter Brimelow. National Review, April 7, 1997.]

The present guarantee under American law of automatic birthright citizenship to the children of illegal aliens can operate...as one more incentive to illegal migration and violation by nonimmigrant aliens already here[.] When this attraction is combined with the powerful lure of the expanded entitlements conferred upon citizen children and their families by the modern welfare state, the total incentive effect of birthright citizenship may well become significant.
Profs. Peter Schuck and Rogers Smith, "Consensual Citizenship," Chronicles, July 1992.

Congressional action warranted: The 14th Amendment stipulates that Congress has the power to enforce its provisions by enactment of legislation and the power to enforce a law is necessarily accompanied by the authority to interpret that law. Therefore, an act of Congress stating its interpretation of the 14th Amendment, as not to include the offspring of illegal aliens, would fall within Congress's prerogative.

[FAIR supports legislation introduced into the current Congress to change the automatic conferral of citizenship to children of illegal aliens. See the Legislative Update page for H.R.7 by Rep Brian Bilbray (R-CA) and H.R.346 by Rep Bob Stump (R-AZ). An excellent description of the issue written by Rep. Bilbray was published by the San Diego Union-Tribune on August 17, 1997. Bilbray Op-Ed]

The parents don't get a dime, smart one. If the child is born in the US, they are citizens, and thats who gets all the benefits.


Are you so vile that you would punish the children for things thier parents did?

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American Voice no it's certainly not all social workers, and actually I hav'nt thought about them. They get probably even more pressure put on them than cops. This Gregoire Early Learning is unbelievable. You know, I wondered about her when she put the WICCA creche by the nativity. It's gotta be hard for a social worker. God, can we all really get a miracle and somehow Gregoire bites the dust and somehow the waste land is restored.

But as far as these women and children, they're not just coming here, They're too helpless and some really good mothers where they look like some high class Mayans. I bet you anything Gregoire's got social workers down there telling them she's got some kind of experimental education program. That house over by Barge Lincoln with all the play tunnels is not a legal youth center, yet somehow he is getting some funds. I volunteered for him 4 years and not until the end realized what was going on. I know your gonna think I'm nuts, but I think someone was desperately trying to get through my naivety and left the strangest doll in my water heater that even I then knew the truth. Fortunately I never let my daughter out of my sight. However the rental was through a women's agency that I think now was connected to Chris and I made the mistake of telling her. She kind of harrassed me and then I saw her at a quick stop and she was in a long black robe and she had on her head a black conical hat about 18 inches tall.
This is all very interesting and I am kind of glad my political satire can now move up to state level. I'm sure that's a big relief to a lot of people.

regardless of your argument ogre, you needn't resort to name-calling. It takes away from any legitimacy you might be trying to make in your argument. How you can minimize the fact that illegal immigration has caused a great burden on the American economy is appalling.

The state of California is in an even more dire state due to illegal immigration issues!

Below are some statistics from the Los Angeles Times, published as the State of California tries to close a $42 billion budget shortfall. It seems that illegal immigration has become the third rail of politics. No one wants to face that fact that it is costing states billions.

From the L. A. Times:

40% of all workers in L. A. County (L. A. County has 10.2 million people) are working for cash and not paying taxes. This is because they are predominantly illegal immigrants working without a green card.

95% of warrants for murder in Los Angeles are for illegal aliens.

75% of people on the most wanted list in Los Angeles are illegal aliens.

Over 2/3 of all births in Los Angeles County are to illegal alien Mexicans on Medi-Cal, whose births were paid for by taxpayers.

Nearly 35% of all inmates in California detention centers are Mexican nationals here illegally

Over 300,000 illegal aliens in Los Angeles County are living in garages.

The FBI reports half of all gang members in Los Angeles are most likely illegal aliens from south of the border.

Nearly 60% of all occupants of HUD properties are illegal.

21 radio stations in L. A. are Spanish speaking.
In L. A. County 5.1 million people speak English, 3.9 million speak Spanish. (There are 10.2 million people in L. A. County. )

(All of the above are from the Los Angeles Times)

Less than 2% of illegal aliens are picking our crops, but 29% are on welfare. Over 70% of the United States ' annual population growth (and over 90% of California, Florida, and New York) results from immigration. 29% of inmates in federal prisons are illegal aliens.

While Washington politicians fiddle over an economic stimulus package, states are burning cash they don’t have by not addressing the critical economic problems created by illegal immigration.

Do you mind paying for health care and education for illegal immigrants while the states are broke?

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wimpi, I would encourage you to talk with a counselor about some of the issues you bring up.

Just incase you didn't read the whole thing:
foreign-born Mexican men had an incarceration rate of 0.7 percent... The incarceration rate of U.S.- born men 18 to 39 years old in 2000 was 3.5 percent — five times higher than the incarceration rate of their immigrant counterparts, the study found.


As long as you keep making horrible claims based on ignorant misconceptions, I'll keep on calling you a xenophobe, regardless of whether or not you know what that means.

Ogre, due to your libelous, derogatory remarks, I will not respond again to you. I find it sad that true economic issues cannot be looked at due to the fear of being considered "politically incorrect". Sad we could not have an intellectual discourse without namecalling because we both have different views of our political and financial woes of our community.

quite simple really, you can't come up with a response because I proved all of your points wrong. Its actually quite funny and entertaining to see. Your points were shown to be completely futile, and your persistence only shows that you have underlying intentions.


If I call you a xenophobe (which from the sounds of it, you are), it doesn't make your points automatically correct. I showed you that illegal immigrants pay more taxes than they recieve, and I showed you that they have lower crime rates. Where is your misguided sensetionalism coming from? Ah yes, your irrational fear of foreigners.

According to the Government Accounting Office illegal aliens use almost 2.5 times more than they put in to government system. The biggest frauds in America use the "race card" as protection when called on thier lies/cons. Pathetic what these types will do to continue thier freeloading ways.

For decades, thousands of Mexican woman in the late stages of their pregnancies have entered the United States illegally in such border states as Texas and have their babies at the taxpayers expense.

In the short video linked below, CBS interviews one such mother, who says"she doesn't understand Americans' resentment," for picking up the tab and providing an anchor baby!

Link:

http://lastreporter.typepad.com/last...8/08/post.html

AmericanVoice
These things happened 10 years ago. I only want the treatment center downtown closed, sex offenders are allowed on the premises. I understand now that certain people have to get in there and say things like "you need help" or "see a counselor". I understand now that maybe they are being told to. There's a lot going on in Yakima. Yes, a bizare doll is unheard of, must have been 50 years old and manufactured , truly if that shocking thing had not been left there I would never have suspected. No wonder innocents think you're nuts, that's a healthy sign. A social worker in a total witches get up and not at Halloween is strange in broad daylight. Even Dixie Lee Ray wrote sort of an environmentalist books that kinda had WICCA leanings. A lot of the drug addicts that are supposed to be clean that come out of that treatment center are into WICCA. But in a real secret way that makes you think maybe it's for real. Babies and babies, who can keep track of all these babies, and social workers into WICCA? HYMNNNN Even Republican women expounding on the virtues of "our birth rate", can Republican women be into WICCA , too? The ones so worred about people's mental health are you also the ones forced to go to money raising events and chant "our birthrate"? No offense. However, we have a dead cop, AMERICANVOICE AND SEVERAL OTHER COPS WHO HAVE BEEN DEEMED INSANE and I only want it to stopped. Move on somewhere else, leave our cops alone, like a Catholic church hustling a pedophile to another county I just want this monster who feeds on our children and tries to castrate our cops (it appears to be mostly a womens organization with some dried up husks of men 80 years) to pack it up and get the heck out of dodge. With ravenous need for more , more children to feed off and collect huge state grants while all we see is more and more crime. And cops bewildered by the huge number of "informants" who are nothing but the lowest of low. Steve Robertson and his "erasing" long criminal historys so innocent people can be set up and innocent cops trying to figure it all out. Does anybody keep track of the illegals? How do we know it's not some trafficking ring, trafficking in the new modern age in maybe organs? Is that something to call mental health about? Saying this? Why couldn't it be? Are you aware that this is the new modern crime? Goofy guys with their knock off Sesame Street puppets buying huge houses by elementary schools and calling themselves a youth center. This is unheard of. People watching blogs worried about others mental health?
Are we going to be forced to be nothing more than a wastleland? A wasteland brought about by collaberation of Christine Gregoire with Early Childhood Education whose phone numbers in official books don't match the names in the books. How could an illegal even complain? I have had 5 cars destroyed for even complaining about that disgusting treatment center. I have sent a report to Bill Gates to dry up their money., maybe he can save us. We have an over abundance of shrinks and social workers, and counselors in this town feeding and feeding. They many need to be retrained. Using physchiatry as a weapon on an innocent citizenry. But not pulling out until you have busted up the Patrolman's Union? Why is it so important to do this to these fine specimens of men and women? WICCA? WICCA? Not being satisfied until they have completely destroyed everything? Why? Why not pack it in before you're completely obvious? The HUNGERRRRR, that's why, It must be intense? Good Lord. And you call people over- seeing this "ladies charitable treatment center" where their clients dead, nude body was casually tossed and they begin crying, almost instantly. Can Bill Gates step up to this monster and quietly and decisive pull from his genious mind a magic stake to drive completely through it's rotten heart? Are the huge mansions owned by some of the women associated with them obtained by taking advantage of this honest and good man? Can he save our cops? Is there a possibility that maybe he will care and actually save Yakima and our children and our cops? I thought this was just a "nature religion", what went wrong?

wimpi, are you off your meds?

I can't believe my comments were deleted, how hard is it to edit a word?

WASHINGTON — Immigrants — both legal and illegal — do not raise the rate of crime in the United States, according to a study released Monday.
In every ethnic group, incarceration rates among young men are lowest for immigrants, even those who are less educated, said the study by the Immigration Policy Center, an immigrant-advocacy group in Washington. This holds especially true for Mexicans, Salvadorans and Guatemalans, who make up the bulk of the illegal population.

The authors of the study say it dispels the common notion — which they say is propagated by excessive media coverage of crimes and gang activity — that immigrants commit crimes at higher rates than native-born Americans.
"The misperception that immigrants, especially illegal immigrants, are responsible for higher crime rates is deeply rooted in American public opinion and is sustained by media anecdotes and popular myth," said Ruben G. Rumbaut, a sociology professor at the University of California-Irvine. "This perception is not supported empirically. In fact, it is refuted by the preponderance of scientific evidence."
The incarceration rate of U.S.- born men 18 to 39 years old in 2000 was 3.5 percent — five times higher than the incarceration rate of their immigrant counterparts, the study found.
The report — which analyzed data from the U.S. Census Bureau, police records and other sources — also shows that a large increase in illegal immigrants has not resulted in a rise in crime. Since 1994, violent crime in the United States has declined 34 percent, and property crime has fallen 26 percent. At the same time, the illegal immigrant population has doubled to around 12 million.
The study also details a "paradox of assimilation" in which second- and third-generation immigrants have higher crime rates than those who first come to the United States.
For example, foreign-born Mexican men had an incarceration rate of 0.7 percent in 2000, more than eight times lower than the 5.9 percent rate of U.S.-born males of Mexican descent.
The study concludes that the children and grandchildren of many immigrants become subject to economic and social forces, such as higher rates of family disintegration and drug and alcohol addiction, that increase the likelihood of criminal behavior.
Steve Camarota, director of research at the Center for Immigration Studies, a Washington think tank that advocates lower levels of immigration, said the impact of high immigration on crime will not be known for a long time because children born to recent immigrants are still growing up.
"On the issue of crime, the biggest impact of immigration is almost certainly yet to come," he said.


Like I said, if you think 4.6 billion dollars is a lot to spend on education, why don't you complain about the 50 billion illegals put into social security, and billions more paid through state sales tax?

Denying public services to people who pay their taxes is an affront to America's bedrock belief in fairness. But many "pull-up-the-drawbridge" politicians want to do just that when it comes to illegal immigrants.

The fact that illegal immigrants pay taxes at all will come as news to many Americans. A stunning two-thirds of illegal immigrants pay Medicare, Social Security and personal income taxes. Yet, nativists like Congressman Tom Tancredo, R-Colo., have popularized the notion that illegal aliens are a colossal drain on the nation's hospitals, schools and welfare programs — consuming services that they don't pay for.

In reality, the 1996 welfare reform bill disqualified illegal immigrants from nearly all means-tested government programs including food stamps, housing assistance, Medicaid and Medicare-funded hospitalization. The only services that illegals can still get are emergency medical care and K-12 education.

Nevertheless, Tancredo and his ilk pushed a bill through the House criminalizing all aid to illegal aliens — even private acts of charity by priests, nurses and social workers. Potentially, any soup kitchen that offers so much as a free lunch to an illegal could face up to five years in prison and seizure of assets.

The Senate bill that recently collapsed would have tempered these draconian measures against private aid. But no one — Democrat or Republican — seems to oppose the idea of withholding public services. Earlier this year, Congress passed a law that requires everyone who gets Medicaid — the government-funded health care program for the poor — to offer proof of U.S. citizenship so we can avoid "theft of these benefits by illegal aliens," as Rep. Charlie Norwood, R-Ga., puts it.

But, immigrants aren't flocking to the United States to mooch off the government. According to a study by the Urban Institute, the 1996 welfare reform effort dramatically reduced the use of welfare by undocumented immigrant households, exactly as intended. And another vital thing happened in 1996: the Internal Revenue Service began issuing identification numbers to enable illegal immigrants who don't have Social Security numbers to file taxes.

One might have imagined that those fearing deportation or confronting the prospect of paying for their safety net through their own meager wages would take a pass on the IRS' scheme. Not so. Close to 8 million of the 12 million or so illegal aliens in the country today file personal income taxes using these numbers, contributing billions to federal coffers. No doubt they hope that this will one day help them acquire legal status — a plaintive expression of their desire to play by the rules and come out of the shadows.

What's more, aliens who are not self-employed have Social Security and Medicare taxes automatically withheld from their paychecks. Since undocumented workers have only fake numbers, they'll never be able to collect the benefits these taxes are meant to pay for. Last year, the revenues from these fake numbers — that the Social Security administration stashes in the "earnings suspense file" — added up to 10 percent of the Social Security surplus. The file is growing, on average, by more than $50 billion a year.

Beyond federal taxes, all illegals automatically pay state sales taxes that contribute toward the upkeep of public facilities such as roads that they use, and property taxes through their rent that contribute toward the schooling of their children. The non-partisan National Research Council found that when the taxes paid by the children of low-skilled immigrant families ? most of whom are illegal — are factored in, they contribute on average $80,000 more to federal coffers than they consume.

Yes, many illegal migrants impose a strain on border communities on whose doorstep they first arrive, broke and unemployed. To solve this problem equitably, these communities ought to receive the surplus taxes that federal government collects from immigrants. But the real reason border communities are strained is the lack of a guest worker program. Such a program would match willing workers with willing employers in advance so that they wouldn't be stuck for long periods where they disembark while searching for jobs.

The cost of undocumented aliens is an issue that immigrant bashers have created to whip up indignation against people they don't want here in the first place. With the Senate having just returned from yet another vacation and promising to revisit the stalled immigration bill, politicians ought to set the record straight: Illegals are not milking the government. If anything, it is the other way around.



To the mod, next time edit out one or two words, dont delete whole articles, especially when argueing against misinformed racists.

American voice, you should seirously stop using rare examples. How hard is it to understand that illegal immigrants are not only NOT a burdon, but economically they're very beneficial. Theyre helping pay for YOUR benefits too.

"For decades, thousands of Mexican woman in the late stages of their pregnancies have entered the United States illegally in such border states as Texas and have their babies at the taxpayers expense.

In the short video linked below, CBS interviews one such mother, who says"she doesn't understand Americans' resentment," for picking up the tab and providing an anchor baby!

Link:

http://lastreporter.typepad.com/last...8/08/post.html"

@#$% the children for being future citizens and taxpapers! *shakes hand angrily*

I have a feeling that you're a white conservative republican whose probably never lived in a city larger or multicultural than Yakima.

Ogre, illigal criminals get deported 9 out of 10 times ??? Wow did you step in it or what. ANY person crossing the border illegaly are criminals. For as much as you are posting. You sure do not have you facts down too well. Just a liberal noboby or an illegal yourself ! What is it??

This comment is intended for American Voice and SJuan2.

You can totally tell your anger is getting the best of you.

And props to Ogre. You shut them up and they get mad b/c you make sense.

It makes me laugh at the silly arguments Am. Voice and Sjuan2 make. They are obviously mad at the fact that no matter how they feel or what they say, WE Latinos will be the biggest majority in this country in less than 21 yrs (by 2030). As the saying goes in Spanish, "aqui estamos y no nos vamos" translation, "here we are and we ain't leaving"

There is nothing to argue here, its a fact and you cannot stop it. Regardless of how WE got here (and some of US were in fact born here). Get over it already. Instead of focusing all your negative energy in dissing on a major population that will one day run your town (mayors, lawyers, teachers, bankers, etc. etc.) you should really find a way to join in and benefit. Its really your only option. One way or another, you will either participate and benefit from what WE bring to the table, or be forever consumed by anger that won't stop the inevitable. We are not going away. Many of us have been here for generations. Many of us will continue to multiply in our families. Hey what can I say, we love making love and we are good at it. Hot Latinos/as! Ha ha ha! And don't hate cuz we do it better. Lol! We just got better flavor and know how to use it. Hey I take care of my kids, and know plenty of white folks who don't. And please don't you dare call me a racist cuz some of my best friends are white! Lol! Recognize that line?

And to top it off, the "illegals" who really are here illegally, do in fact contribute more than you like to acknowledge. They pay federal/state/local taxes. Most never see that back. They also pay into Social Security benefits that only US citizens will benefit from. Can they at least get a "Thank you" for such a major contribution? I know I will benefit from that when I retire. You will too so quit being hypocrites! Be honest with yourselves.

Illegals also buy food and pay bills. They buy clothes, gas up their cars, and pick the food most of us enjoy. Duh, wake up haters. We depend on them too much. And say what you say, but most folks wont do the hard work they do, even if they did pay better wages. Most simply can't hang with that type of work. Its hard and very physically demanding. Most would rather go wash some dishes for minimum wage. Quit lying to yourselves, cuz you are not folling us.

I won't call you all negative, because in the end, whether or not you admit it, I still see many white folks at our Mexican Restaurants and see them bob their heads to some of our music. So you see, even without acknowledging it, you still love our culture, just stop it already. You make me laugh!

And by the way, saying that babies deserve to get the boot because their parents broke the law, therefore they should not get benefits or food stamps or WIC, is exactly like saying that WE minorities should FOREVER consider ALL white folks racist because THEIR ancestors held slaves and screwed over the Natives, who were the REAL Americans.

Obviously not all white folks are racist and they should not be held accountable for their ancestors mistakes right? Its the same thing, so back up from that useless no-sense making ignorant argument. Seriously, you make yourself sound like you don't know what you are talking about. Stop it already! Lol!

I invite you'all to tune in next week to the "Lopez Show" on TBS, Monday thru Thursday, it starts at 11pm our time. Its a great show and WE are the future! Don't worry, he has a wide variety of guests for your viewing pleasure. Lol! You might as well join us.

Sjuan2
Thank you for noticing how different I am! Actually it's a magnetic disorder that while sounding to be something like bi-polarity is actually not. It's only treated by a special combination of magical lodestone combined with secret herbs and tribal ritual dancing. It's called the magnetic ability to be drawn irrestibly to danger while giving off total bimbo signals to the predator. I used to get treated by Christine Gregoire when she would come to town to see her great Early Childhood Day Care with the pedophiles hanging out at Triumph Treatment. She said she really enjoyed it because all her buddies like to try to see if they could mentally de-masculate cops. It was some kind of turn on for her. She had tons of lodestones and she would blow a magic smoke in my face, play the drums and dance around me with her Wiccan friends. Unfortunately, since I've been blogging about her she won't give me my meds. Also I have some Western medicine in reach, but all of those counselors have had the same experience as me. I guess they're not in with the "in group" who screech "our birth rate, our birth rate" every two minutes. It's nice too know somebody reads my blogs. I'm gonna go scuba diving in the Yakima river this weekend because I heard there are some lodestones there.

Last year a blogger told an 80 year shrink that I was weird and "needed help". He was chasing me around Triumph and those brick apartments where they found the woman, and he slipped and fell on the 18 inch hypodermic full of "SUPER THORAZINE' that was meant for me. It stabbed him in his adams apple and I didn't know what to do so I left him in the care of Triumph Treatment twitching. They told me they knew all about twitching. I saw him two days ago and he looked really rough and was trying to sell me some "rocks" so I don't think he's legit shrink anymore, maybe never was, you know, hanging out at Triumph.

By the way i usually like to accompany my posts with political satire cartoons about what I'm talking about. I wonder if Gregoire likes cartoons. Now I just need to get a photo of Bev Danhurst and a gal that oversees them named Ida. I wonder if they like cartoons? There's nothing like looking at a mental aberation in the form of a cartoon. Just good naturedly, of course. And all their wonderful drug addicts who are so "clean"! Does anybody hav a photo of Bev Danhurst. She's such a philanthropist and so, so humble, too!

"Ogre, illigal criminals get deported 9 out of 10 times ??? Wow did you step in it or what. ANY person crossing the border illegaly are criminals. For as much as you are posting. You sure do not have you facts down too well. Just a liberal noboby or an illegal yourself ! What is it??"


Yes. Ofcourse. Ask any judge, why would a criminal be allowed to stay in a country he's in illegally? Why do you think illegal immigrants have some of the lowest crime rates in the U.S.? Sometimes litterally up to 10x lower than their legal mexican counterparts.

I'm not a "liberal nobody", some people like to call us centrists, but hey, simply because I'm proving ignorant people wrong doesn't mean I'm a nobody.

Look it,I really worry about immigrants here. There's no way of keeping track of them. The whole Early Learning thing is very flakey and Gregoire does have ties to WICCA which is witchcraft, Google it. You guys get going on this racial stuff or whatever, and I'm worried that these people are being eaten alive. @#$% was all over EPIC's hard drives ten years ago and the Early Childhood Education daycare at Triumph Treatment had pedophiles crawling all over there because they can hang out there, they're duel, pedophiles and drug addicts, great. I'm worried about the town and our cops who Gregoire is harrassing. What if this blows sky high? What if we become known as another "Franklin County Coverup". Google it if you don't know what it is and while you're at it Google Christine Gregoire and WICCA. Some big time somebody is bring the Mexicans up here. Why won't anybody talk about it? It's social workers lining themup. They're coming up with little kids fresh from Michuacon. These people are not safe up here, an additionally there will be formed counter groups, possibly made of a nationalists with a deep conviction that they must do anything they can get away to discourage Mexicans not to come here. They're trying to save the country they love. Up close I could never stand for anything to happen to them, but far a way a breath a sigh of relief there's someone to do it. It's dangerous for them here. Why would anybody put their children at risk? How did they end up with so many children? Were times good down there and then went belly up? In case you haven't noticed, we're crawling with pedophiles in this town. I doubt if we would have this enormous pedophile problem if it wasn't for the illegal mothers who the perverts know won't go to the police. So we're blamed for wanting to protect our own children? When I worked at a youth center somthing happened and the little kids found out for the first time it was wrong, they didn't know it was wrong and they all began to tell their parents. When the parents found out the perpetrators violently shut them up. Why didn't their parents know? It had happened to a lot of them. Is this something Mexican's take for granted? It's not that big of a deal? Is this why so many of them become gang bangers. It would seem to make sense. They don't even know that the eastside has convicted pedophiles all over it. Why do they let their children run around like that? Children are allowed to run wherever there is something FREE. That horrible word GRATIS? It's ruining their children. I stuck my neck out to protect one little girl, and the mother knew it. But the next day she was allowing her daughter to hang out with the molester because he gave her free poke-mon-cards. Or maybe she knew in her heart she couldn't fight them because she was illegal. You could see why people wouldn't want them around because it's so distasteful.

I'm always gonna be talking about this problem like a broken record. So if you wanna call me crazy, go ahead, but if you've got kids you better listen up. When we have a governor approved daycare with pedophiles right in there then you know it's bad. And if you don't want your kids to become mentally ill you better watch them.
I believe this is who is behind the harrassment of our cops. You can call me crazy, crazy, crazy but if you hear the word FREE, run the other direction.

Ha- Villanueva has never been a leader for the hispanics. He was the leader of the farm workers union which never amounted to anything. He is a washed up wannabe . The hispanics are getting wiser in this valley. If villanueva and the other wannabe hispanic leaders cannot keep the illegals riled up they will just fade into history. It is too bad that the hispanics cannot see that if they become a part of the community instead of wanting it all. That they would be better acceptd by everyone! Most people like the hispanics very much but do not like the radical part of them.

Wimpi,
What in the world are you rambling about? Your thoughts are so completely scattered and incoherent that I'd question my own sanity if I could understand them.

I'm looking forward to your 4 page response, so don't let me down.

Senator Murray,
She will listen illegals or representatives of illegals
and help them however, the reason is the Senator wants to give them amnesty and then she will get more votes.Its amazing these groups who get money from legal taxpayers think its ok to encourage them to break laws so they can treat them-couselors and for college.
The senator needs to have Dept of Homeland, ICE and Border Patrol protect our borders and law enforcement deport Illegals. That's the Law.
The crimes they commit, i.e. rapes, murders,thefts, the medical services,food stamps,etc. is paid by legal citizens thru taxes. Isn't this rewarding for breaking the law.
This is almost 1 million new immigrants come in legal way, which is more than all other countries combined.
If your illegal leave and come back thru proper legal channels.

sjuan What I'm talking about is that the mothers let their kids run all over in search free stuff and where I lived and worked at a youth center they were getting molested (yes, that includes rape, forced oral the whole shebang and the were little). Is that clear enough for you? Duh They never even told their mothers until one happened right in front of me. Get that? The migrants thought it was normal until the cops came for one incidence. Is that clear enough? The illegal Grigoire sponsered youth centers have them fiending for free stuff, and it must be somewhat normal down in Mexico. Now if you don't want to believe me it doesn't matter.
In fact if you're so concerned call a "lady" named Dody Gray. She's emergency mental health. She has a big fiber optic cable running through her house and she can plug her big toe into it and get anyone's address. Then, with her 450 lb brawn, cracking a solid core oak door is no problem. I have a feeling you're have a very cozy relationship with your constant "I don't understand what you're saying". Have I made the important witches of the town mad with my little comments? Oh no, what will they do when they can't get Bill Gates money anymore?

LVR, If Latinos who were born here would refer to themselves as Americans instead of Latinos, there would be no confusion and no problem. If they want to make all kinds of demands for entitlements, but don't want to show the loyalty that a noromal citizen would show or claim us as their own country, they can leave too, as far as I am concerned.

Datruef, Villanueva was fired from every job he ever had prior to Chavez coming here and raising his ruckus, (I know, I knew his employers who told me so way back then that he was a goldbricker and troublemaker). The Cubans trained Chavez and the woman he had with him all the time as a communist agitator. Working as Cesar's lackey was the only thing he could do, and all he can still do. He was NEVER a leader of anything worthwhile for his people, just in it for what he could milk from them - still is.

Sjuan - naughty, naughty! You are sounding just like wimpi when she is out of meds, which is most of the time. However, I will say that there are several lucid moments in her comments on this subject. Too bad they all get ruined in then end when the rant begins to go astray.

wimpi,
I think there's a connection between Christine Gregoire, DSHS, and WICCA. What do you think? People say I'm crazy, but people like you and I have to get the TRUTH out, man. So tell me what you think.

Nick,

I (and plenty of others) don't demand that I be called Latino or Hispanic. If I'm asked what my ethnicity is or background is, I have no problem stating what I am. If I'm asked what my nationality is, I give the obvious answer: American. I wasn't born in Mexico or anywhere else, so it should be a no-brainer.

However, you know well enough what I'm talking about when I refer to that certain attitude and way of thinking that many people take on what are often referred to as "hyphenated Americans" (Mexican-Americans, African-Americans, Japanese-American, etc.) In the eyes of many, "those people" are never "really" Americans like them.

Nobody should ever forget their heritage, but if you were born here or are a citizen of here, you should call yourself first and foremost an American. I agree with you on that. However, you can't deny the truth that I stated above. It's an ugly and unfortunate reality of our society.

^^ Don't waste your time, you're talking to someone who can't distinguish illegal from gangster, nor gangster from immigrant, nor mexican from American.


As long as they look "latino" he can assume that they're a combination of all of the above.

Ogre, get a grip. You appear to have gotten really emotional over this. This is a blog, we are not family. No one is going to ramrod their opinion down anyone else's throat. This is only a blog................

^^ Don't call me emotional just because you were making completely ignorant statements!!!!! How many times do I have to prove you wrong?


Am I telling you to agree with me? I'm only PROVING your STATEMENTS wrong. I know you don't agree with me because you would RATHER BELIEVE that illegal immigrants are quote "raping the government"... and increasing crime rate...


I'm sorry but you have absolutely no credibility.


American voice: illegals increase crime!
Ogre: I showed you sources that the incarceration rates are lower, therefore proving your claim wrong.

American voice: illegals are raping the government!!
Ogre: Actually, they put more taxes into the system than taking out!

American voice: Well if youre going to call me names then I'll stop responding to you!
Ogre: Just proves that bigots don't have anything better to say.


Its funny that you tell me to get a grip when you seriously have a problem accepting facts.

Nick and sjuan
The rant goes astray because I like to be a target with a big bulls eye on it. Have you ever known anybody like that?

Yes I actually do think there is some sort of occult group mostly run by WOMEN in Yakima, and yes I do think Christine Gregoire is somehow involved. She allowed the WICCA display at Christmas right next to the nativity. She is allowing large amount of state money to go to illegal youth center and daycares. And yes I do think Triumph Treatment (with convicted pedophiles thrown in by the daycare) is a female operated hell hole that is possibly involved with THE OCCULT . I don't think anyone can keep track of all these illegal alien babies flooding the area, and with my firsthand experience of the incredible violence this group does when you complain I think I (even I) can put two and two together and figure out why the demand for babies (our birth rate, our birth rate, chanted by grant seekers)is so high. The fact that they operate in secret lends me to think that they are raising some sort of malevolent power.

I guess for some time I actually thought some of these things were created by the republican party, sort of like the sex scandal during the 2006 election where the Republicans lost so many seats.

But, anyway, somebody like me who enjoys the feeling of a giant target on your front and back in gonna be weird. It's a learning process.

Now I am convinced that this thing which is eating Yakima alive is from the Democratic party and their nature religion. Researching yesterday I stumbled on the name Cheney or was it the town Cheney that for a moment made me wonder.

sjuan
And no, I don't actually believe that you believe what your nearest post declares. I kinda think that you are a shrink "wanna be" who thinks if you can draw somebody out and make a statement on a blog that's weird than you can then turn them in for something. Physchoanalysis on a blog. Yes I do think that that is something that could happen in Yakima. You're so completely boring and some things that are perfectly sensible you can't understand. What sort of person would waste their time doing that. The ones who's powerful boss happens to be a "grant generating" money machine and can't bear the thought of their money drying up?
Sometimes when you talk about something that is "unmentionable" you talk in sort of a code. If you don't understand it than that means you don't have the required background.

I hate to disappoint you, but if you haven't figured out that I can say absolutely anything I want on this blog than heaven help you.
It's obvious that we have a problem here. There is crime all over and it is creeping. Speaking of witches over here on the east side the illegals do many things to run others out to make room for more illegals. Like this: I had a neighbor who lived right next to a large house of them. They would treat him very nice in the morning with a nice greeting, but later on at night they would dump their garbage over the fence on his property still smiling. That's how they make more room for new ones. So what is that--to me it looks like a combo of witchcraft and physchiatry. That would be a powerful combination. It's just so weird you just want to get away from them.

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ogre
I don't think you could call me a bigot. One kid I risked my life to protect and 7 people tried to kick my door in. Then, the next day her mother let the girl play with the predator because he gave them FREE pokemon cards.
I fed them at my house. I really am starting to think that it's no a big deal down in Mexico for this to happen. And if you really loved them, wouldn't you tell them not to come up here?

If everyone argued like you (using rare examples to generalize a whole population), then no one would want to come to the US.

We as americans need to stop pointing fingers and learn to live with each other, we really do not have a choice. this country was always founded by waves of Immigrants coming from allover the world. have we forgotten that? everyone has some kind of culture in there background. white people came from somewhere else and settled down in the US. the only people that can say they are from america are the Native Americans. for those white people that have anger inside them I suggest you research your family tree and see where you came from and maybe youll learn some of that culture that u have lost, it might help you understand todays problems. maybe you can try and see why your ancesters came to this country that we love.

reading this blog today has assured me that we have a long way towards becoming one. there are latinos, blacks, natives, asians... in this community. As for those who blame a race for the problems in this community or country are just plain racist or plain ignorant. this country is very multicultural and the ones who take the heat for every thing that is going wrong are the minorities. I am tired of people who just point fingers and they themselves do not due anything to make this community prosper, and you know who you are.

We should stop blaming people for being here illigaly, when we ourselves have left the door open for people to come into our great country to look for a better life, just like our ancestors did. We should try and solve this problem by working together and stop pointing fingers.

this problem will only leave when we address it the right way, and stop pointing fingers at each other. for those of you who blame innoccent kids for being born here when there parents are illigel, just put yourself in their shoes. Put yourself in that situation where your country can no longer give you and your family a sustainable life, what would you do? if you have a family and you can no longer povide for them. I am willing to bet you will go to another country that would offer a better life for your family. but we americans sometime do not think like that because our country is great even though we have bumps here and there.

we have to understand that this world has countries that depend on us for help because we can help. All we have to do is take control of our problems and stop pointing fingers and stop making comments that flirt along the lines of racism.

IN THE END WE ALL BLEED RED...and if you argue that you must be color blind.

good insight! Now hopefully the over 50 conservative crowd can one day erase some ignorance!

Sorry,
All Illegals go home.
I have had my friend gang banged, and left for dead.
The illegals commit over 1 million crimes a year.
Don't anyonev hear tell me crap how hard it is on them.
Honesty if you come to america come thru the front door.
We are a country of laws, laws need to be obeyed.
The costs of illegals is huge, so stop dismissing it.
They take 15-20 more than they give.
I am urging all citizens to call ICE and turn all criminals in. That's your moral duty.
Thanks

Yakimanian
I was mostly refering to my time working at what I thought was a legal youth center and how the moms let their kids run through the streets at night for "free" stuff and how it was a nightmare. All the youth centers are illegal-it's hard to believe. They're not zoned, insured, or employed for a youth center yet the state and non profits act as if they were. In a legal youth center no small child would be wandering the street alone at night. And Ogre never said anything about a woman alone fighting off 7 large people to protect one small alien girl. She just tore into me. I love their kids but their mothers are too naive and have no idea that most of their housing is around sex offenders.

American Voice - typical, anytime a person identifies to anything that may not be considered "American" they are labeled unpatriotic or anti american. I am Mexican, born in the united states. Divide and concour is the oldest form of welfare, and those who call themselves "Mexican-American" and consider themselves better than other Mexicans are an embarassment.
I work hard, pay taxes, obey the law and live the dream that this conntry full of many nationalities is made of.

Don't know what's more disheartening, hearing from people that want our laws ignored or a senator who is willing to listen to them and wouldn't give it a thought to have these laws ignored. Problem is this group did it wrong, they should have "donated" to her campaign first, then she would really listen, at least till till the check cleared. Laws are laws, do it legally you are welcomed. If this law is to be ignored I susgest all laws be ignored and everyone do whatever they want. Anarchy will be the rule for this land.

"Sorry,
All Illegals go home.
I have had my friend gang banged, and left for dead.
The illegals commit over 1 million crimes a year.
Don't anyonev hear tell me crap how hard it is on them.
Honesty if you come to america come thru the front door.
We are a country of laws, laws need to be obeyed.
The costs of illegals is huge, so stop dismissing it.
They take 15-20 more than they give.
I am urging all citizens to call ICE and turn all criminals in. That's your moral duty.
Thanks "


I guess its much easier to live off ignorance than actually look at facts, right? Like I've said, I'm glad that republicans are a dieing breed.

^^ I'd also like to add how incredibly ignorant it makes you look when you automatically equate "gangbanger" with illegal immigrant, completely ignoring the fact that the grand majority of gangbangers in the valley are CITIZENS of the UNITED STATES.

It is sad to see how this thread degenerated. The name calling and stereotyping by both sides does nothing to solve the problems, but does make it easy to dismiss your ideas.

The original article focused on a State Senator meeting with a group of Hispanic organizations, as she should, and then concluding that somehow this is either a Democratic or liberal problem. That of course ignores the fact that Ag, employers, industry groups and the Chamber of Commerce (none of which are typically Democratic or liberals) are telling her much the same thing, for different reasons - and they are often also sending their checks. The general public has no effective credible voice explaining their concerns.

Unfortunately, that is the state of the whole immigration debate with the addition of churches and labor groups chiming in, again for their own reasons. In normal times the legislators could reasonably assume that they are hearing the will of the people.

I think the most recent attempt at immigration reform failed to slide through, because the angry public found a voice and an advocate in Lou Dobbs. One can hope the politicians will make sure everyone is heard this time.