Re-cycling offers alternative to gangs

By Ross Courtney
Yakima Herald Republic
SARA GETTYS/Yakima Herald-Republic
Jesse Zamorano, 15, puts the chain on a bike while Diego Soto, 14, left, and Jorge Villalobos, 13, right hold it up at the Lucky 7 Bikes program in Sunnyside. Kids pick a salvaged bike, take it apart and clean and rebuild it. After they finish, and spend time passing on their new knowledge and helping other kids, they get to keep the bike.

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SUNNYSIDE, Wash. — Don’t give George Villalobos a hacksaw.

The 13-year-old bike mechanic-in-training might try to use it to remove a crusty tire from the rim of a road bike.

“That would make it more simple,” he says through his grunts, as he pries at the bead with tire levers and a screwdriver.

Elsewhere in the unheated downtown garage, boys sort spokes, push brooms and grease bearings.

They are all pitching in at Lucky 7 Bikes, a volunteer-run shop that functions as a recycling, youth outreach and apprenticeship center.

A product of communitywide gang prevention efforts, the program works by allowing kids to select a salvaged bike and refurbish it under the tutelage of unofficial manager Dan White and other mentors. In turn, the students contribute about five hours helping other kids, sweeping and cleaning parts.

Or removing stubborn tires.

Technically, Villalobos is breaking the rules even with the screwdriver, as he could dent or score the rim. But the extreme tire rot calls for extreme measures, so White allows it after grabbing the hacksaw away from his do-things-the-quick-and-dirty-way student.

“No saw for you,” says White.

White, an affable, between-jobs handyman from Grandview, enjoys fixing up old bikes and is trying to spread that feeling to his students.

“There’s a lot of satisfaction in doing that,” he says.

The 55-year-old White was repairing bikes for kids long before Lucky 7 started. It began when he fished a bicycle out of the Yakima River and fixed it up. He still rides it today.

But the hobby grew into something more in September, when he lost his job as an area manager for a local fuel company. He began purchasing bikes and parts at thrift stores and digging them out of the garbage. Friends from his Mormon church began donating, and he ended up with as many as 30 rebuilt bikes in his garage. When a local church heard of a kid in need, it came to him.

Meanwhile, months earlier, Sunnyside residents desperate to stem a rising tide of gang violence had started holding weekly brainstorming sessions. During one of those sessions, Ann Bardell and Dina Bootsma thought of the need for bike repairs after hearing about a single dad’s struggles to keep his children’s bikes in working order.

Results from a 2006 Washington Healthy Youth Survey found that 21 percent of sixth-grade students in Sunnyside didn’t own a bike. The statewide average is about 10 percent.

Bardell recalls there were efforts to stage a few weekend bicycle workshops, but something always fell through.

Then the women heard about White and asked for his help. About the same time, the Sunnyside Grace Brethren Church offered its empty shop on Seventh Street, hence the name Lucky 7.

The Sunnyside Police Department donated many of the bikes, surplus from unclaimed stolen property. The group also received a donation from the Seattle Bike Alliance, which collects unclaimed bikes left on bus racks. The shop now has about 100 bikes in various states of disrepair.

The shop opened mid-October to a throng of 66 kids, almost all middle-school-aged boys.

“We were overwhelmed,” White says.

Organizers lined them up and took 20 or so at a time. Several more have been added to a waiting list. A couple of the 14 or so who have graduated — they’ve finished their own bikes and have contributed their five hours — return frequently to help for fun.

“It’s filling a very valuable need in our community,” says Phil Schenck, deputy chief of the Sunnyside Police Department.

The program has about 13 volunteers, but organizers want more. In fact, they want more of everything: tools, bikes and money.

So far, most of the tools are White’s own, though community members have been donating them, too.

White really needs work stands; he built two out of plastic pipe and improvises two others by hanging trunk-mounted car racks from the wall. Neither method holds bikes steady under aggressive wrenching.

Sunnyside’s Promise, a youth-oriented outreach nonprofit, has been paying for insurance for the project.

But the group, which recently received a $100,000 Gates Foundation grant through the Yakima Valley Community Foundation, has numerous goals in mind, says Mark Baysinger, executive director.

Among those ideas are reopening the city’s community center, shuttered last year by City Council members during budget cutting; building soccer fields near the police station; and bringing an amateur boxing club to town.

Nonprofit bike programs are nothing new.

Shops in Boise, Idaho, and Portland function as recycling centers and provide rebuilt bikes for commuters. A shop in Sioux City, S.D., got national attention with “Cash for Two-wheeled Clunkers,” a bike exchange that mimicked President Barack Obama’s car program.

In New Jersey, Pedals for Progress has shipped more than 5,000 used bikes overseas and helped establish community-owned shops in those countries to sell them.

“There’s lots of different nonprofit organizations that do things like this,” says Meghan Cahill, a spokeswoman for the League of American Bicyclists, a Washington, D.C., bike advocacy group.

Closer to home, the Yakima Lions Club fixes up bikes and donates them to area children through Boy Scout troops, churches and the Union Gospel Mission. Every year, the club sets a budget for the project and uses the money to buy parts from Valley Cycle. The volunteers have given away more than 1,000 bikes in the past nine years, says Marion Blank, a 30-year Lions member.

Jeff Clark, a co-owner of Revolution Cycles in Yakima, has heard of neighborhoods helping children with their bikes, but nothing organized. He likes the idea.

“It’s getting kids to help other kids as an anti-gang effort,” Clark says. “It’s worth a shot.”

Bob Taylor, owner of Wild Wheels bike shop in Granger, lauded the idea, too.

He does some of the same outreach unofficially in his shop. Taylor also is known in the Lower Valley for staging bike shows and solicits donations to avoid charging entry fees. He also has rebuilt bikes for the state’s foster children program.

Kids generally want to learn, but some just want free stuff, he says. Taylor has learned to tell the difference since coming to the Yakima Valley in 1968. He has seen some kids try to patch flat tires with Band Aids and duct tape.

Taylor advises the Sunnyside group, more than anything, to stick with it.

“I just hope they don’t get tired of it,” he says. “It’s not something they can do for two years. It’s important for it to be there for the kids.”

Organizers of Lucky 7 have the same goal.

“I think our long range (goal) is to keep it going,” says Ann Bardell.

Sadly, the group must close shop for the winter because the church garage is not heated. Thursday is the last day. They hope to reopen in March with a bike swap to act as a fundraiser and bike collection point for the program.

On a recent day, White looked over the Sierra Vista Middle School student’s refurbished bike, a chrome BMX that long ago lost its decals and other indicators of brand to rust and wear. He inspected it by bouncing it, shaking it and giving the brakes a few hard squeezes.

“Cool! You’re done,” White tells Villalobos, marking the occasion with a hand slide and fist bump.

The boy asks, “What do I do now?” White gives him some chores, including removing a tire and finding a replacement seat for a mountain bike on one of the stands.

Villalobos smiles and tackles his duties with an “Okey-dokey” for his mentor.

He says he enjoys the work and appreciates his rebuilt bike more than the one he threw away several years ago after it rusted over and quit working.

“I just have a different feeling,” Villalobos says. “I’m actually working for a bike instead of paying for one.”


• Ross Courtney can be reached at 509-930-8798 or rcourtney@yakimaherald.com.



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Posted by Nick at 11/10/09 05:26AM        Post ID#: #17590

I'm sure anything is better than leaving kids to time-wasting home-alone and video games of violence, (the only kind they like to play besides "Guitar Hero").

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Posted by huh at 11/10/09 06:52AM        Post ID#: #17599

I wonder what they need in the way of supplies, shop materials, etc?

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Posted by Aurelius at 11/10/09 08:28AM        Post ID#: #17611

This is cool. I never would've even thought of something like this. Bikes. I haven't ridden a bike in years, or I think I tried out my nephews bike about 6 months ago.
A few months ago we cleaned out a family members yard and home and there was like 5 bikes ready to go into the dumpster only because they had flat tires and some rust. They were nice bikes.
I hope they keep this program going. maybe I should fix up a bike.

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Posted by MattWest at 11/10/09 08:41AM        Post ID#: #17616

Great program. Have a good winter break kids. I hope over the winter, lucky 7 bikes acquires several sturdy bike work stands for the program. Thanks Ross Courtney for a great article.

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Posted by wimpi at 11/10/09 09:04AM        Post ID#: #17626

Nick
No you are wrong. While this certainly seems like a great thing I hope they are aware of the great number of predators in our area and make sure that anybody hanging around these events and clubs are not over 18 and are not sex offenders. In addition under state law small children are not to be mixed with large children at these things, something most people do not know. They must realize that these sorts of people are attracted to these things.
Many people are not aware of a number of illegal youth centers in Yakima smack in the middle of convicted sex offender housing. Being at home playing video games is much, much better for them than being lured aware from a safe home and I think this is something our police chief should be telling the public. I will be doing all I can to notify the Obama administration of how this kind of thing can lead to a "den of horrors" rather than wholesome entertainment put out to the unsuspecting public. Greedy directors and recipients of the funds will do anything to shut a kid up if he experiences something terrible and it is much to easy to make a child look like they are "crazy" when they are under incredible stress. They and their migrant parents cannot stand up to the monsters that come out to shut them up. In addition I will be notifying them of what I think is behind the huge growth of gang activity and try to get them to keep a microscope like watch over the gang prevention $500,000 grant. It is obvious that the current way of doing things is just not working. Getting information, for instance, that a youth center is not legal is an obvious thing. From there it needs to be established as to why our police chief is letting this continue. What answer can he give them? I would love to see it. Does anyone remember when EPIC was found to have @#$% all over their harddrives 10 years ago? And in addition what is EPIC in Yakima's track record? I understand that we have a dropout rate of 50%. Has it also been hijacked by the neo-nazis of Yakima? Remember , the Nazi have been in South America for a long time and there is racism within Hispanics themselves. Just because they are Hispanic does not mean they consider others of darker skin, or whatever reason racially inferior. It is becoming obvious to me in Yakima that some of the migrant families that we are getting up here are incredibly innocent. Some are mothers separated from their husbands with maybe four beautiful and well taken children that have somehow landed on our shores. None of them speak English, and with the children taken care of so well it seems to indicate that they were a nice family down there. So how did they get talked into coming up here? There are Nazis up here people. Disgusting, stupid Nazis. This is happening right under are noses and we need to do something to stop it. It has got to be sanctioned by the growers somehow. We must stop bringing these people up here. There is a hard right group that is writing grants supposedly to help migrants, but in reality are operatied by neo-nazis who are sadistic and money hungry. Does it all sound a bit to much to believe? Yes, it does but look at the statistics. In addition on these blogs we also have people talking about hunting illegals and sound serious and seem to think they have every right to put this on a blog. I'm tired of seeing seniors in a one bedroom apartment getting carted off and replaced with a family of 6 fresh from the Rio Grande. Face it folks the rich are getting richer in Yakima and want their slave labor and as a cover they are starting "youth centers" that are ilegal and getting funding from unsuspecting churches and what ever (federal and state also) and churning out gangsters. Further stoking hatred of immigrants. The ridiculous thing is that they think we are so stupid we can't figure it out. This is not meant to imply in anyway anything bad about this bicycle group. I simply wrote it as a rebuff to Nick's comment about anything being better than staying at home. Look at the sex offender map Nick, while you're at it, could you do me a favor and tell me if the downtown treatment center still has offenders hanging out right by their day care and explain to me how this is legal. I have a feeling that you know more about these legalities than I do. When I try to get through to the DC feds, I am going to ask if they could go through and read some of your comments and that, I think, can give them a little better understanding of what I am saying. In addition, they maybe want to find out who you really are and juggle that around in their brains to get a better idea of whats going on in Yakima so they can know just how they really want to approach this gang prevention thing. I'm not talking about the local FBI, either. I'm talking about people controlling the funds and maybe are specialist with child care or gang prevention, etc. In other words people that care about children. I'm sure they will wonder why our police chief allows illegal youth centers in sex offender neighborhoods. That should be interesting. The audacity of hope, yes here in Yakima, the truth and with it hope. You can fool some people some of the time but not all people all of the time.

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Posted by wimpi at 11/10/09 09:38AM        Post ID#: #17630

The above has an expletive mark, the word that was blocked out was porn_graph_. Remember when 10 years ago EPIC was found to have this all over their hard drives. It was on the front page and then we never heard another word about it. I would have at least liked to have known about if there was an investigation of employees.
For some Hispanics in Yakima, life is very, very good so how can the above be true? In the crazy but alive world of Nazis they get some to get a big head and feal they are superior and teach them to set innocents up. Some of these families I have seen on the bus (mostly good mothers with great kids) look like pure blooded elgant Mayans. Exquisite bone structure with true elegance. Then you never see them again. It's happening people, you know it is. When it comes out we gonna look like the people in Germany who said they didn't know about Hitler.

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Posted by Aurelius at 11/10/09 09:51AM        Post ID#: #17633

Whoa!! That is good information. I would've never suspected that stuff. Maybe the bike program isn't good???

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Posted by huh at 11/10/09 10:29AM        Post ID#: #17637

or maybe wimpi hasn't a clue. Everything is race, discrimination and taking advantage. How about some kids who are trying to do something constructive.

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Posted by overfifty at 11/10/09 11:21AM        Post ID#: #17642

wimpi...
Switch to decaf!...YIKES!!!

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Posted by Aurelius at 11/10/09 11:31AM        Post ID#: #17646

HA HA ha Lol. Dang!!!! I luv it all.

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Posted by wimpi at 11/10/09 11:37AM        Post ID#: #17647

Nick
This qualifies for a screen shot. Your comment about anything being better than staying at home I'm sure gets a big thumbs up from your cronies (you know). At least this guy has a garage downtown Sunnyside, but we've got people buying houses right next to elementary schools (Barge Lincoln) and going in business as a youth center without any attention to state laws. There's a least three other centers doing the same thing and i don't think they are legal. They are collecting the money and living off of it and churning out gangsters. Some of the mothers are so innocent they think they have to let their kids go. Really--when will the citizens take Yakima back from the overly affluent and just plain perverted.

Here goes the screen shot, this is just to precious to take the risk of it disappearing as some have done.

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Posted by Crytot at 11/10/09 11:50AM        Post ID#: #17649

What a great program. Great job Sunnyside. You are making a difference. As for the off the wall comments by "Wimpi", ignore them. This program is in Sunnyside not Yakima. The local chief of police is on his hands and knees getting greasy with the kids. I don't believe this is a Nazi plot of any kind. This is a very cool program and will continue. Hats off to Sunnyside's Promise and the community for caring enough to put this together. Great job getting people organized and actually making a difference instead of just having meetings.

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Posted by wimpi at 11/10/09 11:55AM        Post ID#: #17650

Overfifty
I take it your memory has failed you. You don't remember the EPIC debacle? What about the house by Barge Lincoln. You don't think it's a bit strange for an "Overfifty" guy with no grand kids to have play tunnels, etc. all over his yard. Do you have play tunnels all over your yard? If so I have to break it to you that that's a little weird, and caffeine or no caffeine an educated mother is not going to go near you and will probably tell all her friends at their coffee clatch, and they will probably go tell all their freinds. Now don't get your dander up over fifty, but we have sex offenders, let me repeat that we have sex offenders all over where our illegal youth centers are.

Aurelius- I was really responding to Nick's particular comment, not to the particulars of the garage story. However, he should know that it may be illegal and he should try to follow guidlines, like not letting 22 year olds go off to other rooms with two year olds as has happened in illegel youth centers, He could be considered to be a nuisance. Hopefully he just a good guy.

I find it particularly curious that all these distastefull old f_rts don't like my comments. Well, that's life and the particulars of life in Yakima is that there is something very odd going on. I will repeatedly use every influence I can muster to encourage the Obama administration to go after the growers here in Yakima. These kinds of things I reference are done by people that think they are way too far above the law, done as entertainment while making everybody else suffer. Little Mexican kids running wild on the street because the bus drops them off at the illegal youth center and who don't get home until 10:00 at night are not a good thing and it's happening all over on the east side. Then the old buggers get on the blog and rant about the gangsters. Please, take your limited intelligience with your gun and a tent and camp out on the Rio Grande. I have a feeling your targets in Yakima will be in short supply if everything goes according to my plan. You can't just come in and wreck a community that we all remember 30 years ago and think we are not going to take it back, Dick Cheney or no Dick Cheney.

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Posted by wimpi at 11/10/09 12:52PM        Post ID#: #17653

huh
Let's get this right out in the open, shall we? Offering to give supplies and whatever without knowing anything about it is a little naive isn't it? This attitude that anybody, absolutely anybody is better for these kids than their own parents has got to go. Now that I'm looking at this bike shop and you're coming out and defending it without knowing anything about it, I'm thinking, What if I got it into my head that I wanted to help kids. Well, that would be a good thing, but to actually go forward and do it without even checking out the laws on this kind of thing. For one is insurance, another how many kids can you have, and the laws against little kids in the same room with big kids. I would have to be very careless to actually go ahead and do it without being legal. I may be good hearted or possibly somebody's putting me up to it. How could we have so many illegal youth centers (where as a volunteer for 4 years I can attest to HORRORS taking place), how coud we have so many and our police chief does nothing? Is somebody promoting this? What about Nick's comment--Anywhere is better than their own homes. Is he certifiably crazy? Is he completely and totally nuts? Or is he just some kind of deranged individual who doesn't give a darn about kids? Or maybe migrant kids don't need things as good as other kids. Is it some sort of racism that we think youth centers don't have to be legal because they are mostly for migrants. And it's kind of a cheap shot to take at somebody that they are some sort of Grinch, huh. Is it better to be a dumb sucker and go "Oh, gee, somebody wants to help kids, they are not legal but what do they need. Really, huh, I doubt if you're that innocent. You're just good at trying to make honest carefull people look like a Grinch? Has that worked before, got it down to a fine science have you? You know what's really going on don't you?

What about this bike shop guy. Somebody's got to think , MY God, I could lose my shop if I'm not properly insured. I mean goodhearted aside, you would have to be very naive. And in a youth center you shouldn't be so naive, I mean let's get real folks--we're talking perverts all over the place. This is yakima, remember? This is Yakima out-of -control, remember? Gotta keep the perves happy, they bring in $250,000 each annually to our "super shrinks". Gotta keep em happy, they could get their treatment somewhere else and then where would we be? We'd be somewhere with happy, normal kids instead sitting hear reading these blogs by the old f_rt types about how terrible Mexicans are and how they're gonna go hunt them. Freaky

You know, I'm starting to think that you all really know who Nick is. And when he gets ticked off because somebody on a blog doesn't hero worship him he bellows out to the men and women who work (unfortunately) just down the hall from him and forces them to get on the blog to stick up for him. I can just see it now Or heah how about another angle that's just as likely he's all of the above people he just sits there like a super chubby nerd creating his own world and slowly becoming scitzophrenic----great, maybe he'll open up a youth center.

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Posted by huh at 11/10/09 01:19PM        Post ID#: #17655

OK, I guess you spoke your mind. Well folks, we sure did waste a whole bunch of bankwidth there with this wimpi guy or maybe a gal. Don't know, don't care. Speaks so bitter of everyone and everything.

Does anyone think for a moment that helping folks is a good thing whether they be old, young or whatever?

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Posted by wsujc210 at 11/10/09 01:38PM        Post ID#: #17658

wimpi... clearly something has hit home with you. Have you reported these "illegal youth centers" to the police? Perhaps you should write a letter to the editor so that people can be informed?

btw- I don't think Nick has any "cronies" as I agree with him on this- kids need to be involved in activities other than sitting at home playing video games. It's not often that I agree with Nick on anything.

It is extremely hard for people to take a post seriously when all the poster does is lash out at the people who have questions about it's content.

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Posted by Nick at 11/10/09 02:03PM        Post ID#: #17670

Wimp, I have absolutely no idea what makes you think I am behind any of this. Since your favorite subject is "flaccid thighs" and "Neo-Nazi's", I am totally lost in your "logic".

I suggest you follow through with your plan to contact Obama - who knows, you would probably fit right in with the rest of his "Czars" of any-and-everything. You could be the Czar of Yakima County Gang Youth programs and maybe get us some of the bailout money too. I'm sure you would make a big hit with him, maybe even as a personal adviser. You both seem to have about the same thought processes.

To everyone else, it seems Wimp is on a roll. I wish I knew the phone number to Comprehensive Mental Health - she should call it and explain all this to them as well.

Meanwhile, I have had many moms, including some Mexican friends, (yes, I actually have some of those, wimp
- friends, that is) complain to me directly that kids need something besides TV and video games to distract them - something supervised and of interest to them.

I agree with that idea, whatever it is.

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Posted by wimpi at 11/10/09 02:46PM        Post ID#: #17679

You haven't volunteered at a youth center. I did for 4 years and it was only in the last three months that I knew what was happening. I large kid (approx. 200 lbs) dragged a 50 lb child down a stairwell, (the previous week there was a guy with a laptop computer down that same stairwell paying kids to disrobe, lots of cops came and it was in the paper), anyway, then the little kik came up and she was mortified and had something on her cheek. She told me the story breathlessly. She had been clubbed on the head twice and then he forced her head down. All the kids were looking at me, and at that time I wasn't volunteering as I had gotten into it with the direcotr about the lack of security. He's the same guy that bought a house by Barge Lincoln and went into business. Somebody called the cops and they came and asked where the big kid lived. About an hour later 7 muscle bound men and women came to my house and said I had called the big kid an ethnic slur. They tried to kick the door in and ran to get a rifle in their truck. They ended up pointing it at my neighbor. I was told that a week later the guy murdered someone in an ice cream shop. What was really bizarre was that when it happened a lot of the kids didn't seem to know that it was wrong (hearing what the girl said) and they all began to tell their illegal alien mothers about things that had happened to them in or around or on their way to the youth centers. Then the same musle bound people started showing up at their door sans the guy with the rifle. They were all carrying baseball bats as a warning to shut up.
This is the life of an illegal alien woman in Yakima, all of you involved in it I wish the biggest of curses on you.
This is a big, big deal people, and you shouldn't be on the blogs advocating illegal youth centers. You just shouldn't. And yes, several times I called planning and zoning and he wasn't legal. And the Chief know's da_n well their not legal. There was even an article in the paper promoting the guyu, just like this article. It makes Yakima look cheap, anybody that can't tell when a story rings true should not be saying it's OK to do this illegally. It's because you don't really care, don't know anything about it or are making money off it. For God's sakes people , people all over the country can read this. And you're gonna say that you just didn't know? Some of these poor women say that they are told they have to let their children go to the center. Their lives in Mexico have got to be better then this. It took me 4 years for my eyes to be opened. And I was right there with my daughter. When the beast comes out it comes out with a roar and people claiming they just didn't know is not gonna be enough to get them off the hook morally or legally. Look at all these people that get so upset, feeling they know what is right and telling others not to pay attention to somebody that has been right there in the trenches. I think I'll call the guy at the garage and try to find out just what exactly is going on. As far as the Chief of Police according to Crytot being greasy with kids, how does he know? And surely the Chief of Sunnyside does want the publicity of actively promoting and unlicensed uninsured Youth Center. I'll think I'll call him to. I have a feeling Crytot may be Nick. Nick gets really shy when there's a commotion. Truly, I think you should all be ashamed of yourself. You know what I'm saying is true, but you're pocketing big bucks off these shams. These kids are gonna be in special ed, they're gonna need shrinks, they're gonna be on drugs, etc, etc. Nothing, nothing, can make a child recover from being molested by the disgusting creeps that hang out at or around these places. I shouldn't even have to be on this blog dealing with this, it's disgusting, truly disgusting. And the people that get so upset, and say you know nothing, there's something ugly about them. You get the feeling it's some super opinionated grizzled old fa_t with a huge pot belly that wants his illegal centers and wants them bad. In the one incidence the big kid had to go into treatment but he was still allowed to run amok in a 15,000 square foot building with 20 vacant rooms in the midsts and with 18 month olds. Now are you old fa_ts gonna tell me I'm picking on the big kid? Oh--how nice of you. You think they're gonna tell their moms exactly what happened? If they could do you think she's gonna go to the police. What's she gonna do when 7 giants come with baseball bats. Do you think you'll see her around again? Don't bet on it. This is embarassing to me as a citizen of this city that you are sticking up for this. I think it is actually illegal for the paper to be running these editorials on illegal operations. I doubt if they want to but I think somebody's pressuring them. That's what's making it seem legit to people, the articles in the paper. People would think it was strange, but the newspaper articles make them seem legit. Why do you think there are laws governing youth centers? Did you ever ponder that? Come on, 55 year old men, with no grand kids buying a house by an elementary school and building play tunnels all over it. Is he a special ed guy? Now you put it all on me, good people of Yakima. But, aha, I've now publicly told you about it. So just drive by it by Barge Lincoln, it looks like a perminent carnival, you can't miss it. Call the city, you'll find it's not legal, you do something about. And I'm sure Ben Soria must have seen it. All you promoting this stuff, I believe in Karma. It will come back on you, whether it's you health breaking down or some other misfortune, there are limits to decency.

Lets just admit it. We are some sort of experimental city that wants these marginal people for some sort of project. What happens when we hear just can't look the other way any longer? Can't they pack the whole shebang up, the nutty guy with the play tunnels, all the ones that like to open illegl youth centers, all the money bringing in pedophiles, can't you just pack it in and go to some other unsuspecting town. And while you at it, can you take your MK Ultra shrinks with you so we can breath some good air?

I put this on the back burner, but I happened to read Nick the moron's comment. You people are sick to even think that for just one minute illegal alien children would be better off running the streets with sex offenders living all around them, and probably unconvicted offenders at the centers. You are actively promoting illegal activities involving children. There's no other way to put. You can give a silly smirk, but you know it's true, and in a decent town, with a decent Police Chief promoting an illegal youth center would be a crime that gets prosecuted. I'm not talking about people that get it out of their minds because it so ugly, I'm talking about the paper and you on these blogs that try to make this look normal. You're sick, and you don't even know it. Closing these things down is the first step to our children doing better at school and bringing up our scholld to state standards. It's not the teachers it's these goofy operations that undo all the good that they do.

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Posted by Anony-Moose at 11/10/09 03:30PM        Post ID#: #17691

No need to worry, Wimpi. The program is run through a local non-profit and ALL of the volunteers do have to go through background checks.

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Posted by ForYourInfo at 11/10/09 04:58PM        Post ID#: #17701

wow! Thank goodness for the scroll bar.

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Posted by PeterJ at 11/10/09 07:03PM        Post ID#: #17706

wimpi, please call 575-4200, lines are open 24/7

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Posted by wimpi at 11/11/09 07:33AM        Post ID#: #17745

PeterJ
How interesting, let me guess, it's gotta be the emergency mental health line and you, pray tell are someone who says you are a mental health counselor and you have no education or degree? Am I right, technically that in itself is illegal. Nice way to end it, huh? You didn't think I'd come back so you snuck in this so any regular person (not people blathering on about the joys of illegal youth centers) would possibly be more inclined to brush the whole thing off. I have made it clear my reaction was to Nick's comment opening the forum that "Any child is better off somewhere else but home." My, that's an interesting statement. No wonder we have jerks like you pompously inferring that someone who objects to that must be mentally ill. I bet if I called the number and asked for you, your pomposity would fade a great deal if I asked for you license number? After all, someone with a license would realise that a person expressing opinions on a forum has every right to do so. You are to foolish to think that Yakima citizens are not gonna catch on to your head trip and real motives. As long as we have illegal nuisances in the county attracting small children with bicycles and week old donuts in the midsts of pedophiles the idiotic shrinks will have a self perpetuating money mill?

You need help PeterJ, please get help. And to the bike shop, this was not meant to reflect on you, but was a strong reaction to the initial comment which any parent would agree was outrageous, however you will have enormous liabilities and even juvenile sex offenders may come and you will not know who they are. The newspaper did not in this article say that this was a "youth center" however the goofy guy by Barge Lincoln received more than one glowing editorial and it was referred to as a youth center. One article talked about him taking a hundred or so kids camping. Glory Be! Pack it up greedy shrinks and shrink wanna-bees, take your illegal youth centers, your fake counselors, your $250,000 dollar a year pedophiles and go somewhere else. Once the public starts catching on your covert operation has gone bellyup and you have no other choice, do you? Or has your pompous superiority complex affected your ability to think. I'll be watching to make sure you don't end these discusssion with the tired ole refrain "Please get help." You're disgusting and deep down you know it. We need a decent police chief. When is Mr. Butterball gonna get his fat butt out of our town? Oh Oh Nick is gonna say that I just made a (to quote a past statement of his) "Thinly disguised attempt on his life". If he's really that sensative maybe he's in the wrong business. People that sensitive and wimipy should be "mental health experts who adore illegal youth centers."

It's obvious that the counties gang prevention stuff is not working and this is my theory why. Besides that, it's illegal. Duh ,,,,Duh..why do we have laws? Because we're supposed to be civilized...duh. And little kids running around at night amidst sex offenders is not something that our societies benefits from. If your neighbor Joe Smith started building play tunnels in his yard and having hundreds of kids running over there and he always had a big table of old donuts you'd think he was a nut. But if there were newspaper articles referring to it as legit than you wouldn'd no what to think. At the least you'd think it was pretty weird. Your property values would go down. These things are legally what is known as a nuisance. Go ahead, say the people that object are crazy but it just makes you look really, really strange. And already the property values are going down. I guess your banking on the deal that for every senior that gets carted off from their one bedroom apartment then you can fill it immediately with 6 or 7 illegals you can keep the housing markt tight. Not to mention importing pedophiles to be treated here only sweetens the pot, huh. Well I hate to tell you, but I think you've pushed it beyond the limits of sustainability. The housing market can be really, really tight but values can still keep plummeting in a situation like this.

Maybe you should think about making your living iin the good old fashion way and work instead of figuring out how to terrorize a community and drive people crazy so that you have a steady supply of clients.

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Posted by wimpi at 11/11/09 07:47AM        Post ID#: #17747

Anon-Mouse
I missed your comment. That's good to know. Again I wanted to make it clear I was not responding to the article but immediately has zeroed in on Nick's strange statement and then it began to tangent it off to illegal youth centers in Yakima.

But again, here in Yakima we have people living off the grants they get for these things and the youth centers do not follow the laws of the state. We even have a treatment center where sex offenders can hang out where there are children being babysat by women under the "grandmother program" who are 70-80 years old. The grandmothers will tell you that they just have to sit in their rocking chair and maybe read and are not required to get up, because in most cases they can't easily. Now, let's go back to my theory about "shrink's self perpetuating money mill."

Then the cowardly fools can hang out around the blogs to see if anyone's catching on and when their sure their opponents won't be back can add the last statement "You need help. Please call blah, blah, blah" In Nick's case there'll be one of the above. Then he'll switch to some other "macho sounding" screen names and it'll be "Please, please get help , two minutes later he'll be "BigJoe or whatever and it'll be "NOTHING YOUR SAYING MAKES SENSE, nobody understands what you're trying to say". And so the story continues and they don't even care what happens to the housing market confident that their one for six will always keep it afloat. I wonder what happened to Franklin County's housing market? That'd be an interesting comparison.

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Posted by wimpi at 11/12/09 08:30AM        Post ID#: #17892

Here's a rare political satire cartoon related to the above, copy and paste url

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