Conservatives say election was not race-based
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YAKIMA, Wash. -- Why did Sonia Rodriguez lose her seat on the Yakima City Council when the other three incumbents won by huge margins? Was it the L word?
Take your pick: liberal, Latino, lawyer. Rodriguez, a family law attorney whose appointment to the City Council last December sparked complaints of affirmative action, thinks her narrow loss to KIT-AM radio personality Dave Ettl in Tuesday's election had something to do with all three.
"There's no good reason that makes any sense about why it was so hard for me to keep that seat," she said in an interview Wednesday. "It was such an uphill battle from the start."
On that last part Ettl agrees. Despite Rodriguez's claims to the contrary, Ettl said he believes voters in conservative-heavy Yakima sized her up as a liberal do-gooder and that some of those voters were also offended with the way she was appointed in the first place.
"She was put forward as the ethnic candidate that (Mayor Dave) Edler wanted on the council," he said, "There might have been some backlash."
Edler, who noted 38 percent of Yakima's popu-lation is Hispanic when he nominated Rodriguez to be the council's first Latino member earlier this year, did not return repeated phone calls for this story.
Others were not so sure her ethnicity was a factor. Two of the three L words might have been in play, said Max Golladay, head of the Yakima County Republican Party, but "Latino" wasn't one of them.
"The liberal lawyer thing was a bigger negative," he said. "I personally don't know anybody who indicated race was an issue."
Community activist Tony Sandoval said a variety of factors hurt Rodriguez, including low voter turnout and Ettl's name recognition.
But nothing hurt her more than running afoul of the Republican Party, he said.
"When you've got the whole institution of the Republican Party against you, it's tough."
Rodriguez was unfairly labeled a liberal, something that Latinos in general are often labeled, he said.
"We like guns, kids, country. Liberal we're not. That's a label we're fighting not be to stuck with," he said.
Ettl identifies himself as a conservative, but not a Republican. In fact, he turned down the party's endorsement during the campaign.
Going into Tuesday's election, most City Hall handicappers confidently predicted incumbents Bill Lover, Micah Cawley and Maureen Adkison, an appointee like Rodriguez, would easily overcome their challengers.
And that's exactly what happened. Cawley's race was the closest of the three, and he won convincingly over former mayor Mary Place with 57 percent of the vote. Lover and Adkison both got 65 percent.
The Rodriguez/Ettl contest was harder to predict. Incumbents usually have the edge, but Rodriguez's appointment had been controversial from the beginning while Ettl enjoyed a huge advantage in name recognition.
That advantage, however, was offset by a roller-skating injury just before the August primary. Ettl fell and broke his ankle which developed into serious complications.
Laid up for weeks at home and then confined to a wheelchair for the duration of the campaign, Ettl said he became increasingly worried that his vow to be a low-key "uncandidate" was backfiring.
Rodriguez, meanwhile, began to come on as Election Day neared. She spurred the City Council to adopt an ethics code in the midst of an public-meetings dispute, then won headlines with her aggressive stance on crime and gang violence.
She also raised a lot of money -- more than $24,000, included the value of an equal air time arrangement with Ettl's employer, Gap West Broadcasting.
Still, her Democratic connections dogged her throughout the campaign. Her critics noted that she was a Democratic precinct officer in 2006 and received a $200 campaign donation from the state Democratic party.
As the campaign wore on, Rodriguez said she was never active in the party and regretted serving as a precinct officer. She said she was not sure if she ever even attended a meeting.
Regardless of party affiliation, she said her actions on council were clearly not those of a liberal, leading her to wonder why voters would choose Ettl. In joint campaign appearances, Ettl frequently adopted a wait-and-see attitude, and the two were rarely far apart on the issues.
"Is coming down hard on gang members liberal? Is putting prisoners to work liberal?" she asked. "You really have to wonder what's going on here. There has to be some other reason."
Lover, the council's leading conservative, agreed with Ettl that Rodriguez may have been victimized by a simmering backlash over the way she was appointed.
Even so, he said he doubted race played a significant role in the voting and credited her increasing confidence in the last three months of the campaign for nearly closing the gap. She had finished 11 points behind Ettl in the primary.
"I thought she was really growing" politically, he said. "She took on the crime issue, and I respect her for that. There's going to be a lot of things done that she's initiated."
Vickie Ybarra, Yakima school board president and a supporter of Rodriguez, said she was disappointed in the outcome but doesn't think it was the result of ethnic prejudice. She also supported former school superintendent Ben Soria, a Mexican-American who was trounced by Lover.
"I was disappointed of course that some folks I thought were really fine candidates didn't win, but I have great respect for the will of the voters and there are serious issues our city council has to face," Ybarra said.
Paul George, a former mayor and head of the local Democratic Party who was easily defeated by Adkison, suggested race has been a factor in local politics before.
"I'm going back into history. Draw your own conclusions," said George, referring to lawyer Victor Lara and other unsuccessful Latino candidates. In 1998, Lara was appointed by Gov. Gary Locke to an opening on the Yakima County Superior Court bench but was quickly defeated by James Lust that same year.
"Diversity is something we need," he said. "To me, it's very clear that unless you're member of the club, it's very difficult to get elected in this city.
"I really think the citizens should think about electing four city council members by district vote only, not city wide. It's a shame that nobody other than Rick Ensey is on the City Council that is east of 40th Avenue. I really think we should look at that. We can't keep doing this where one side of the city dominates the other."
But Ettl said he is confident that ethnicity wasn't a factor and that a more conservative Hispanic appointee might have won over voters.
"The timing is getting right for Yakima," he said. "The scenario right now is left vs. right, not Anglo vs. Latino."
* Yakima Herald-Republic reporter Leah Beth Ward contributed to this report.
* Chris Bristol can be reached at 577-7748 or cbristol@yakimaherald.com.
"The timing is getting right for Yakima," he said. "The scenario right now is left vs. right, not Anglo vs. Latino."
Actually, I think this comment by Dave, says it all in a nutshell. Nearly all of the factors mentioned in the article are likely part of the reason, but I think the observation quoted here nails is more closely as to the root-cause. I do NOT believe it was race-based. I actually thought that aspect gave er an edge, locally.
Meanwhile, the comment by Paul is also stereotypical of the liberal point of view that is causing a backlash throughout the entire country. Obama will have his hands full in any reelection bid, but it will be based upon his values, political philosophy, and his level of performance, not his race, that determines the outcome of that.
I think the article was a well written and well-researched piece of commentary. Most importantly, it stayed away from the liberal twist that is more common in the YHR.
I really don't have any idea why Sonia lost the election as I am not able to see into the hearts and minds of the other voters in our fair city. I for one cast my vote for Sonia beleiving that she was the best qualified to do the job we ask of our council members. I personally feel it is a shame that she lost but hope to see her back again, stronger and more positive than ever.
Latino, lawyer, liberal, lady. All labels that could make for a very good council member, or a very bad council member. They are just labels.
BTW, if I would need a lawyer with her specialty I would not hesitate to seek her out.
I agree with you Nick. The article is a good one over-all even though the article coats over the bigger issue in the election, low voter turn out. Where were the voters? Sonia just didn't get anyone excited enough to get off their butts and vote for her from either and all races if you have to break it down by race like some always point out.
If she would have won because of her race that is ok, but if she lost because of her race that is bad? Double standards are never good for anyone.
The fact that it was close should be enough to jump off the race bait wagon.
Sonia said she didn't understand the Liberal tag and her actions may be in agreement with her wondering. But it could have also made the Liberal/left stay home also then and not vote for her because of her actions. Why can't that be the question of her lose? Why do the losers always seem to blame their race first? (if they have that choice that is)
Why do the other losers think they lost? The article says it was because they were up against incumbents, but I thought they were supposed to lose because of the past exploits of those involved?
A lot of questions to consider, another fact that again, should also break the discussion away from the same old tired race bait wagon.
Just an opinion, maybe I'm wrong and Yakima is as racist as the YHR and those that lose want to paint it.
Sorry, left out incumbents in #17203
It should have read, "The article says it was because they were up against incumbents, but I thought the incumbents were supposed to lose because of the past exploits of those incumbents involved?"
The Latino/Chicano candidates that have won in US Politics are those candidates that were able to connect with both the White and Latino voters. When the Auditor's staff finishes the analysis, I predict that the numbers will show that a higher percentage of Whites voted for Sonia then did Latinos. Those statistics will reflect the fact that Sonia did not connect well with or mobilize the Latino voters.
Sonia also had trouble with her message to the voters. I, as a liberal Democrat, voted for her because she was a Latina and she was asking new questions of the City Council and actually doing very well on the Council. But her message did not reach out to me. To me it seemed like she was reacting to Dave's campaign all along; that she was tough on gangs also. But the question that follows is, "How well was Sonia's message received by the Latino community and by the more liberal voters? What, besides being tough on crime, do the two groups of voters want from their candidates?
It is also interesting to note that the article also talks about the fact that Sonia had trouble being labeled a Liberal and a Democrat. If she is not a Liberal or a Democrat, then what is she? Is she a Conservative Democrat, a Libertarian or even a Republican? I have always maintained that a candidate that wins is the one who lets the voters know where they stand on the issues and puts forth a clear message about who they are.
In addition, the difference between the County Democratic and Republican Parties was a clear factor. The Republicans are on the outside looking in and they have been active all summer and the Democratic Party was not. The Republican Party was totally behind Dave and Sonia did not even know whether she wanted to relate to the Democratic Party.
My conclusion is that, yes, race had something to do with the outcome but the factors that would have easily overcome any race issue is just plain hard work; Walking the streets and relating to the voters.
But we must commend Sonia Rodriguez on her effort and accomplishments after her decision to get involved in politics by applying for the vacant Council position back when. During Sonia's short political career, she did very well and I am sure that she has a good future in politics, if she so chooses.
Good post Hector.
Just one question though; if she was not a Latino, would you have voted for her as you say? If so, why add the Latino part for your reasoning?
I agree with your post though. Just wondering and wanting to understand your point of view more clearly.
Thanks!
Poisonhawke,
Yes, I would have voted for her even if she was not Latino but asking the same questions because I think that the City Council despreatley needs diverse points of view.
I also voted for her because she is a Latina. I feel disenfranchised without representation on so many boards and agencies throughout the County. Something is wrong with that picture.
Ask Obama if race had anything to do with his election. He plays if off in public but in private with his staff, I can assure you that the race issue is very important.
Sonia is proving the voters to be correct about her liberalism. By blaming racism for her loss, she is ruining any future chances of winning an election. I do believe it was unfortunate that she had to bear the consequences of Mayor Edler's citation of race as a factor in her nomination. With affirmative action, nobody wins.
Report ViolationPaul George states that Ensey's the only one that lives east of 40th... trying to claim some sort of class warfare? I think both Edler and Coffey live east of 40th too.
Report ViolationI agree with Sonia, she's lost so it must be prejudice against her, NOT. Get over it and run next time, the Hearld's just trying to get get people riled up enough to buy newspapers.
Report ViolationPoisonhawke already mentioned low voter turn-out in post #17201, but it's an important enough issue that it's worth repeating. Elections don't just happen every four years! It drives me nuts that everyone has an opinion, and most people have a vote, but so few people elected to actually cast a ballot. I registered to vote the day I turned 18 and have voted in every election since then -- that's the way my parents raised me. I wish other people would take their civic duties seriously.
I'm not sure Rodriguez lost because of race, but I am sure the results would have looked at least a little different if more people had actually voted. When only 38.71% of eligible voters turn out, you're not looking at a very good cross-section of the region. But there's no one to blame for that except the absent voter themselves -- or the politician that should have been more proactive at mobilizing the vote.
Low voter turnout drives me nuts, too. Even so, anyone who's lived in Yakima for any length of time who says that race or ethnicity plays no part in the politics of this town is truly living in Denial.
Report ViolationI would look at it as She had a good run when odds are against her. Being a woman and a Latino. Hang in there she'll get in someday if she wants it bad enough. In a boxing ring I've beat guys every round and even dropped em and I still lose to a decision of the judges. Very political. I learned if I don't knock them out in there home town I won't win a decision. I have over 30 losses of being (robbed) of fights I really won. Being Native American could've been a factor but I just recognize the fightgame is what I play and I accept the rules. I blame myself and get ready for the nxt fight.
Report ViolationRE: "Take your pick: liberal, Latino, lawyer. Rodriguez, a family law attorney whose appointment to the City Council last December sparked complaints of affirmative action, thinks her narrow loss to KIT-AM radio personality Dave Ettl in Tuesday's election had something to do with all three".
For me it had nothing to do with anyone of those "labels". Having stood before her at council while I made a statement in defense of something she did not agree with I could see by her body language and facial expression that she was unwilling to look at both sides of an issue, she was unwilling or unable to withhold judgment until all facts were presented and she had made her decision and formed her opinion before I opened my mouth.
Personally I have no use for one more decision maker, law maker, or individual who forgets who it is they are representing. Had it appeared that she at least was respectfully listening, was thoughtful about what I was saying and still disagreed with me in the end I would have thought twice about my vote. As it was I was unwilling to even consider her based on her actions.
What the heck is Paul George talking about? He says only Rick Ensey lives east of 40th Ave? The fact is Maureen Adkison is now the only council person living west of 40th Ave.
Report ViolationWhy is the issue of race even being brought up? It does not matter whether she is African American, Caucasian, Hispanic, Asian or or anything in between the fact is that she lost by vote! Accept it and move on! If she would have won would anyone say that Dave only lost because he was white?? Would there be news media or newspaper articles about his race um let's see probably not! That would be a whole different story. Get off you racial high horse and accept the fact that "May the best man(woman) win"!
Report ViolationWhy is the issue of race even being brought up? It does not matter whether she is African American, Caucasian, Hispanic, Asian or or anything in between the fact is that she lost by vote! Accept it and move on! If she would have won would anyone say that Dave only lost because he was white?? Would there be news media or newspaper articles about his race um let's see probably not! That would be a whole different story. Get off you racial high horse and accept the fact that "May the best man(woman) win"!
Report ViolationI hope Chris Bristol follows up with Mayor Edler to get his perspective on these council races and what the future holds for him; it should be an interesting interview.
Report ViolationEttl won the race because he reached the voters with his no nonsense approach to the issues.
Here in Yakima commonsense and conservative values trumps a phony, unqualified opportunist every time, no matter how you label them.
With 38% of this community Hispanic I think the election results say more about them than anything else. Shame on the Herald, Rodriqiez and the others for playing the race card ... once again.
So predictable!
Since her introduction to public office, her ethnicity has been forefront. Why can't race been an issue in her defeat. It has played a part the entire time she sat on the council. Why can't it be discussed. Yakima has never elected a latino to public office in the history of the city. The city is 39% latino. The people of Yakima can write comments all day long about how this is not about race and how the city is not racially biased. You guys are percieved that way by the west side of the state, and your public electoral record reflects that you are. The east side of the state has a long history of racial behavior. I may live on the west side, but I went to WAZZU. Go cougs! I never did like driving by K Klux radio station . Or seeing signs for Kougar Kountry Kitchen on my way to school. It may be unfair, but you, Yakima, can not escape that stereotype or stigma anymore than council woman Rodriguez can change the color of her skin. You guys should stop critisizing Rodrigues for being upset she lost (what is she supposed to say that woouldn't have made race on issue?)and start focusing on becoming a more socially modern city. Then maybe educated people with money would want to mave to your city instead of fleeing from it. Thanks for giving me the opportunity to voice my opinion.
Report ViolationAs every voter is different in views and what not, who's to say what was the deciding factor for each INDIVIDUAL voter. Was race the deciding factor? I'am sure it was for a few voters but NOT ALL. In a perfect world everyone would vote based on qualifications and not race, but we dont live in a perfect world. We have come along way as accepting people, but still have a ways to go. Especialy in eastern WA.
Report ViolationSince when is trying to take a gun on a plane, and getting DUI's conservative (yup mr. ettl is a drunk driver). Just another example of a Republican talking the talk and living a life totally contradicting to their so called beliefs.
Atleast liberals dont pretend to be perfect.
"Yakima has never elected a latino to public office in the history of the city. "
Mary Skinner was hispanic!
I sincerely hope Sonia will not look at this as a setback but as one experience on the road. It may be tough but I suspect her character is tougher and I encourage her to keep at it. Just look at how many failures Lincoln had in his career.
Frankly I'm surprised that the figure for hispanic residents in the city is as low as 38%. Then again that number probably does not account for the flood of illegal immigrants residing in Yakima either.
RODRUIGUEZ / SKINNER - what do these names say to you? Do surnames change your perspective of the individual attached to them?
Report ViolationOne can usually assume that an incumbent has a clear advantage particularly if they have avoided scandals and getting the city sued. Add pushing the City to address the gang issue and establish a Council Code of Ethics and one might expect a shoe-in.
On the other hand an on-air celebrity with decades of history talking daily to large audiences of citizens - establishing his "one of you" credentials would be a serious threat to any candidate. The fact he won is not really that surprising. I suspect he might have prevailed over one or more of the other incumbents as well.
Why he chose to run against the candidate he did probably has more to do with the larger political picture in Yakima.
Yakima has elected both women and lawyers in the past, so that doesn’t seem to be an issue. Personally, I was glad to see a lawyer stand for election. One can always hope that with a lawyer as a member the Council might have avoided a couple of the things they stepped in over the last few years.
A couple of the comments and a sense that I get does bother me a bit. It seems like there really isn’t a seat at the table for Latinos or people with alternative views to the point that when either occurs it must be driven out. This seems like a risky strategy in any community facing the problem's Yakima is and particularly with the demographics are shifting.
We should elect a gay, disabled, hispanic, albino, transgender, midget to the city council, just so we can check off every group claiming victim status all in one candidate.
Would that satisfy you liberals, or would you still charge people of discrimination when your candidates lose?
No, we should elect the better qualified.
Report ViolationJust Bob,
maybe you should reread or just read Hector's post. #17207
Why do you think there was such a low voter turn out?
Why do you think more left/liberal/hispanic/whites/non-whites altogether didn't vote for Sonia?
Did more whites vote for Sonia than non-whites?
Why is Dave and Sonia's race so close but Lover beat Soria so badly? If Yakima voters are so racist, shouldn't the distance between Dave and Sonia be the same as Lover and Soria?
I don't know the answer, but if you do, can you lead us all to the source you gleened this information from?
so a continuation of so called conservatives at the table to keep the door closed to growth in Yakima.
See story on airport.
One has to wonder why Sonia lost the election and had such a hard time retaining her seat as an incumbent.
Was it because she appointed? Maureen Adkisson was also appointed and later than Sonia in April 2009.
Was it because of her work while on the council? She made a lot of progress with the gang issue. She advocated for being tough on gang members. She wanted to make sure the city was spending our tax dollars in the most efficient way possible. She wanted inmates to work and not just sit in our jail on our dime doing nothing. She initiated the ethics policy adopted unanimously by the council.
Was it because she was "liberal"? She had several thousand votes from the same people who voted for Lover, Cawly and Adkison. So clearly she is not seen as a liberal by many. Her actions taken on council are not "liberal."
Is it because seh is a woman? No since there are two other women on the council.
is it because she is young? Look at Micah Cawley, 10 years younger than her.
Is it because she has a small business, she is a landlord, owns a home, has a daughter in public school, a graduate of UW Law School?
So then why did she lose? Seems that she was pretty qualified and did good work while on the council. So why the movement to take her off? Do we not want someone to continue on our council who is making decisions in the best interest of our city?
People should be more willing to confront the race issue in our community. It touches so many issues and needs to be addressed in postive way.
Well I guess if you can't let go of the racism is the only reason to lose scenario then nothing can be said to change your mind.
Low voter turn out is one key point to her losing to this point. Not enough non-whites voted for Sonia and that seems to be ignored by those who can't let go of the race excuse. Sure, some may have voted only against her because she is latina, but some as explained by Hector voted for her because she is latina.
The distance between Lover and Soria is huge, but the distance between Dave and Sonia is ever so slight, infact neither can say they have lost or won as of yet.
To many are in a hurry even now to rush to judgement or project their feelings onto someone else. Just because you see the color of someones skin and make a judgement does not mean everyone else does. Blanket statements about a whole city is just as wrong.
The reasons I voted for Dave Ettl.
When Sonjia was appointed, there were other qualified candidates that wanted a chance at the council seat. Edler and the council made an "affirmative action" appointment by selecting Sonjia. I thought it was very unfair. She admitted after being appointed that she didn't know much about the issues facing council members but she was going to study the issues. That statement left a bad taste.
The city council is not a place to try out your 'training wheels'.
I know Dave Ettl and respect his knowledge of the community and I believe he will perform the job much better than Sonjia. She is smart but she is still very young.
Experience is gained through facing the trials and tribulations of life. Simply put, she hasn't been around long enough. Dave has.
Politics had nothing to do with my selection. The only thing I wanted in a successful candidate was that he/she had values similar to mine. Dave does, she doesn't. You might say I don't know what her values are. I may not. I do know that, after knowing Dave personally and listening to him over the years, his values are close enough to mine that I support him. I haven't learned much about her, other than endorsements and articles in this newspaper, to base anything on as far as wanting her to represent my positions on community issues. I have read enough of this newspaper's recommendations to see their political leanings and do not agree with them. "Their Blue underskirt shows through".
I never vote Republican, Democrat, Libertarian, or any other party on local elections. Washington state does not have political parties on the ballot. The candidate can indicate which party he prefers only. I vote based on my conservative values.
There are few professions I hold in lower esteem than that of an attorney. Doctors YES... Lawyers NO. While lawyers are important to our legal system, I don't have to like them.
I think our immigration law enforcement is a disaster. We are flooded by people from all over the world causing social, educational, and legal problems for this country's citizens.
Immigration plus Lawyer is a minus to me.
If the race had been between a woman I agreed with and a man I didn't agree with. I would have voted for the woman. Sex had nothing to do with my choice.
I have known many people of other races that I considered very capable and would make a great asset to a political position. I also know many people of ALL races that I don't want representing me.
Race had nothing to do with my vote.
Sonjia.. these are the reasons I voted for Dave Ettl.
Get over it. Get on with your life. You lost.
Having Edler in you corner is like having a boat anchor around your neck when in a dinghy with rough seas. He is the next to go.
Report Violation"values" of dave ettl? pls elaborate. i dont think he would disagree on the positions taken by sonia. and pls spell her name correctly.
Report Violationwhy does everything always have to be about race? good grief. i don't care what color a liberal is. i don't like liberalism. i don't feel any different about white liberals. i won't vote for them either. race doesn't matter either way, pro or con.
Report Violationi wanted to add a little comment for the community activist tony. latinos most certainly are not all labled liberal. she was called a lib because she sounded like one. she herself made silly racial comments about how republicans would only see a hispanic when they looked at her,who exactly made race an issue? sounds like she did to me. i come from new mexico where there are a heck of a lot more hispanics than there are here and they are certainly not all liberal. there were conservative, moderate and liberal hispanic people there just like in any other race of people. i am sure that it is the same here.maybe tony the community trouble maker and sonia should stop having a fit about not winning. stop trying to blame everything that doesn't work out on your skin color.did you know there are actually other reasons for things not going the way you want them to in life?
Report ViolationHectorFranco
just wondering about the hispanic chamber of commerce, how many causcan white americans are board members are on the board?
Do you know?
If there isn't any is that right?
topp1953
get over it, Dave Won.
Stop bashing, its wrong.
So far, there is only one commenter that says race was a factor in their vote. And he (not surprisingly a liberal) voted for Sonia Rodriguez. So maybe the YHR should look into the possibility that Sonia received more votes because of her ethnicity, than a white liberal typically gets (ie. Ron Bonlender). No, that wouldn't fit the YHR's preconceived notions. I thought liberals were supposed to be the open minded ones? In nearly every story about Sonia, the YHR promoted her as Yakima's first latino councilmember, and I'm sure they assumed that hispanics would vote for her based on her race. Is it ok for hispanics to vote based on skin color, but not for whites?
When Barrack Obama won the presidency he won at least 95% of the black vote, which suggests that minorities tend to base their votes on race much more than whites. So isn't it more likely that Sonia Rodriguez received a very high percentage of the Hispanic vote whereas a white liberal would not have that advantage?
Nobody can really answer these questions, which is why it is unproductive to even ask them. While it may generate more business for the YHR, this conversation only serves to undermine racial relations in the valley. Shame on you Yakima Herald Republic.
Ok no one could answer my question. Would Ettl disagree with any action Sonia has taken while she served on the council - tough on gang members, putting inmates to work, spending tax dollars more efficiently...? Anyone? What are the "values" that Ettl brings that are distinct from Sonia in light of what she did while on the council? Please someone answer the question. And go further than using buzzwords like liberal and conservative.
Report ViolationOk no one could answer my question. Would Ettl disagree with any action Sonia has taken while she served on the council - tough on gang members, putting inmates to work, spending tax dollars more efficiently...? Anyone? What are the "values" that Ettl brings that are distinct from Sonia in light of what she did while on the council? Please someone answer the question. And go further than using buzzwords like liberal and conservative.
Report ViolationQuiet Observer,
I doubt Dave Ettl would have made this speech at a Cesar Chavez march, which has become a rally for amnesty and redistribution of wealth:
http://www.yakima-herald.com/stories/2009/03/31/yakima-march-honors-cesar-chavez
“Cesar Chavez taught me about change. Change needs to happen and we need to instill that concept in our children,” she said to a crowd of about 80 people at Yakima’s Millennium Plaza. “The Latino community suffers from a disconnect from the political power structure here in Yakima.
“We are not the ones who are making the decisions about the community, yet we make up 40 percent of our community.”
I doubt that Dave Ettl would support the supreme court judge Sonia Sotomayor's court ruling in favor of a city's discrimination against white fire fighters:
http://www.kndo.com/Global/story.asp?S=10715404&nav=menu484_10_8_1
"She also defends Sotomayor's ruling on the controversial case regarding firefighters in New Haven, CT."
I doubt that Dave Ettl would have voted to force Rick Ensey to pay for his defense against the frivolous lawsuit filed by Ron Bonlender's cronies (the lawsuit was shot down in court).
http://www.yakima-herald.com/stories/2009/09/15/council-won-t-cap-paying-ensey-legal-fees
correction: it wasn't a "lawsuit", it was a failed recall effort which resulted in legal fees for Rick Ensey.
Report ViolationSo those are the three reasons you think Sonia should have been voted out of office:
1. The speech at the Cesar Chavez march. Let me educate you. Cesar Chavez..born in US...fighting for the establishment of a union so farmworkers were fairly treated in terms of wage and working conditions...do you disagree with that? Or do you think that farmworkers should be subject to substandard working conditions and less than min wage? Again, nothing to do with city council work.
2. Sonia Sotomayor - being nominated as Supreme Court Justice. Graduated from Yale Law School. Was appointed to Federal bench by Bush in 1992 and served more then 10 years on the federal bench writing several opinions in complex areas of law.
3. Sonia's vote against paying for Rick Ensey's legal fees - when Yakima was facing a budget crisis and the fees were not even proposed as a specific cost. It was proposed as an open ended cost. In a budget crisis is this the best way of spending tax dollars? How can our city justify an open ended expense when our city is faced with having to make cuts in the city budget? I am sure you would agree not fiscally responsible to commit to an open ended expense.
So these are the reasons you would support voting Sonia out of office? And you never answered the original question.
And I have to say to Gen Patton - what "no nonsense approach to the issues"? He doesnt have any approach. And if he did, how is it different than what Sonia has done?
Report ViolationI think those who don't think there was ANY racial overtone to the recent election, protest too much. As if Yakima doesn't have any racial divide. Sonja's background and experience was far superior to that of Dave's, at least for a position on City Council. I'm not talking about any other council candidates, I'm talking about these two - side by side. Sonja's background is education, law, and 10 months on City Council. Dave's background is radio and tv host, commediene, and no experience in an elected office. Dave also exhibited his inability to consider others points of view in his diatribes regarding patriotism on this blog site a month or so ago. Mark my words - he is going to be argumentative and disruptive during council debate sessions, resulting in an inhibition of process and progress while he get's the last word. Watch. Sorry Dave, but you wouldn't even consider the posts of those who tried to answer your question indicating the reason we weren't protesting the war in Afghanistan like we did the war in Iraq was because Afghanistan was where most people believed the war against Al Quaida should always have been focussed, unlike Iraq, that most protesters believed was an illegal distraction from the true war on terror. You wouldn't even acknowledge that proposal as having any validity - it wasn't what you were looking for, was it?
Report ViolationLawyers like “Quite observer” like to use slight of hand tricks in order to reach their specific goals and objectives. In this case, “QuiteObserver’s better half lost because the voters of Yakima knew that the actions professed to have originated from his better half, such as being “tough on gang members, putting inmates to work, and spending tax dollars more efficiently”, were in fact provided to her as talking points by her handlers (i.e. the Mayor, sandwich shop king and others) as a way to convince the voters to re-elect her. Once re-elected, she would then revert back to her “True” persona, which involves a liberal agenda of taxing, spending, and making sure the rights of those poor miss-understood individuals who continually break the law are protected. So please stop insulting the intelligence of the voters of Yakima.
By the way, “YakRob” in case you haven’t noticed, both the federal and state governments have been run by your so-called educated members of our society for quite some time, ( i.e. lawyers). Based on the past, present, and current state of government affairs I believe that their performance speaks for itself.
Also, “QuiteObserver” please send my regards to your pal “Martha” and her alter-ego “Whattt”
QuietObserver,
You obviously didn't expect anyone to answer your rhetorical question. I gave you just three examples off the top of my head of actions she took that Dave Ettl wouldn't have. Unsurprisingly, you defended each of the actions because as a liberal, you agreed with her. As a conservative, I found all of those reasons to be confirmation that she is a liberal, in addition to the fact that she is a Democrat. But you're obviously convinced that it was her race that conservatives were opposed too, and you have the right to your opinion no matter how ignorant it is.
So, you vote for someone because they are a conservative, not because they are the more qualified and effective person for the position? Whatever happened to moderates and balance? It didn't matter to me if Dave Ettl was a conservative or not, white, hispanic, or other - qualifications, experience, and frankly, attitude and behavior made my decision. I voted for Cawley and Adkinson for the same reasons. I frankly think it's disengenous for some of you to continue to state that race was not a factor in some voter's choices - or, if it is a factor, it's one that Edler and Rodriguez are responsible for creating. Please - who cares, it's still a factor. Race IS an issue in this town and it doesn't matter who's fault it is unless you require someone to be WRONG before you fix anything here. If there's blame to be placed it's on all of us - both the latino and white communities. Why can't we talk about the problems and solutions together without letting the fringe elements dominate the discussion (Birchers and Bangers)?
Report ViolationQuiteObserver-"Ok no one could answer my question. Would Ettl disagree with any action Sonia has taken while she served on the council"
Man, let it go already! Ettl won, Rodriguez lost. It wasn't because one was of different ethnic origin or lived on one street or another. Every race has a loser, the only difference is if the loser has enough class to hold their head high and not be known as a whiner that can't handle personal self defeat. If you backed a loser then do them a favor, make your screen name happen, and quit associating them with the whiney cry baby attitude you have over it and let them lose with dignity.
For those who are accusing that race was an issue in the Ettl/Rodriguez race please substantiate your claims and find enough people that say they voted based on race that the vote would be overturned. So far all I have seen are some people saying race had to be the issue because life according to them should have had a different ending. But guess what, there are many different opinions for just as many personal reasons. Unless you KNOW all you are doing is SPECULATING.
This is not a new argument. Before race it was sex, before sex it was financial status or family history of politics. Did a Kennedy win because of his family name? Maybe, maybe not, regardless it doesn’t matter because it was the wishes of the voters and that is the only thing that counts! The entire back bone and structure of our country’s voting system in all reality has nothing to do with the most qualified wining; it has to do with the voters getting their way! There are always differences that disappointed candidates would rather point to than entertain it could have been themselves that were the problem, it is much easier to believe it was others (in this case the voters) that were wrong.
-Life is hard, it is even harder when you are stupid
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