Posted by Nick at 10/30/09 05:44AM        Post ID#: #16478

I wonder why the charge is only 2nd degree murder. When a ganger is found in possession of a gun, (most often illegally) it is likely that he intends to use it in the commission of a violent crime - thus the "intent" requirement for 1st degree charges, according to my understanding. Especially when it comes to a retaliation shooting - definitely a planned-in-advance event, as many of these are.

We need to adopt a "0" tolerance policy when it comes to gang crimes here - hassle them until they go somewhere else, since we can't seem to put them away at all, let alone forever. The policy should include ALL justice related agencies; police, sheriff, prosecutors, and judges.

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Posted by IMMORTAL at 10/30/09 06:45AM        Post ID#: #16485

I don't understand why the bail for the suspect of the Davis High shooting is 1 million but a guy charged with murder is 750,000? Throw the book at all these thugs anyway. What a waste of life,space, and taxpayers money.

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Posted by sid515 at 10/30/09 09:16AM        Post ID#: #16516

Nick-thank you for sticking to the point, and IMMORTAL, yes both of you are absolutely right...we need to have ZERO tolerance for anything that these gang-bangers are doing...that is the begining to the end, as long as we tolerated we will have it...
i say round them up and send them to the desert, see how much they fight for their piece of dirt out there...besides since when is private property their turf?

WE NEED "ZERO" TOLERANCE...i'm with you on this one Nick.

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Posted by rheitzm at 10/30/09 10:09AM        Post ID#: #16528

I would love to see what happens to these little guys in prison. I am sure this guy will get sold for a pack of cigarettes.

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Posted by rabbit89 at 10/30/09 10:43AM        Post ID#: #16535

This guy has already been in prison, he got out a lil while ago.

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Posted by ForYourInfo at 10/30/09 03:32PM        Post ID#: #16570

Perfect, it wont hurt him as much this time around. Might even be used to it.

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Posted by christine at 10/30/09 04:55PM        Post ID#: #16582

I agree with the ZERO tolerance against gang members. The schools claim to have a ZERO tolerance yet they allow known gang members to attend our schools only to find they're involved in gang style shoot outs right outside the school grounds.

Like the incident that took place Wednesday next to Davis HS... those students left the school grounds and were armed before the rest of the students had even left the building.

IF one gang member can get armed so quickly, so can others. I say ZERO tolerance should be ZERO tolerance and not trying to befriend these thugs when they obviously don't care what happens to adults, classmates or themselves in the commission of their crimes.

I thought the charge would be first degree in this incident being that they waited outside for more gangsters to arrive. That to me, seems like a plan was hatched for retaliation against the men who didn't want them at the party.

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Posted by Nick at 10/30/09 05:57PM        Post ID#: #16596

Christine - I strongly suspect they were armed AT SCHOOL. Which leaves a whole-nother level as far as I am concerned.

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Posted by christine at 10/30/09 07:11PM        Post ID#: #16600

I suspect the same thing Nick. Otherwise, how could have gotten armed so quickly??

I was in the area today after school and a staff member was asking a carload of thugs what they were doing this weekend... they yelled out, "PARTYING"....

it seems staff at Davis is mimicking the behavior of parents who are afraid to set and enforce rules for fear of not being liked or not being viewed as a "friend" when the role should be enforcer when it comes to gang behavior, ESPECIALLY in our schools.

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Posted by Nick at 10/30/09 08:54PM        Post ID#: #16607

Unfortunately, the behavior you describe is also much like that of too many teachers - trying to be the "good guy" and get on the side of the students.

This approach, however, undermines any position of authority they may have otherwise and opens them up for the disrespectful and atrocious behavior by students these days.

It is no wonder we have lost control of our kids.

On the bright side, there are still some kids who recognize this and decide to NOT participate in bad behaviors and simply mind their own business and get through the jungle that is adolescence these days. I will be looking for them to be our leaders later on. A cinch there will be many dunderheads to require leading.

My fear is that these innocent bystanders will be hurt or killed by the other gang pukes that can't shoot straight when they do it. One more violent gun-related incident and I will be meeting my senior daughter across the street while fully armed, every day after school.

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Posted by Gracious at 11/01/09 02:11AM        Post ID#: #16669

I wouldn't be surprised if the staff at Davis isn't just afraid. I mean, if they saw a gun, no doubt they would call something like that in. However if they just overheard something and reported it, they might fear retaliation. Not just in the form of violence, but in vandalism and theft.

There was one teacher I remember who claimed a student threatened him, and they called the cops. Neither of them were allowed to say anything about it, but nothing really came of it. Other than that, I remember more than once when a teacher got their window broken out or their laptop stolen.

Honestly, regarding the shooting near the high-school, how do you even stop someone with that much brazen anyway? In front of that many witnesses, that far away from the police station, in part of town with somewhat congest traffic no less. Deterrence doesn't seem to be the answer here.

As far as why this is only 2nd degree murder, I'm wondering if this guy doesn't already have 2 strikes or some kind of parole violation that's going to put him in for so long that seeking 1st degree was not necessary.

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