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Yakima Herald-Republic editorial board
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This editorial appears in the Sept. 2, 2009, Yakima Herald-Republic.
Republican leaders and other defenders of the George W. Bush presidency would be wise to turn down the rhetoric regarding plans by U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder to investigate whether members of the Central Intelligence Agency and others broke the law during interrogations of terrorism suspects in overseas prisons.
While the investigation announced last week by Holder -- a Barack Obama appointee -- may, in fact, turn out to be politically motivated, there is no proof of that claim at this point. What does exist are enough questions about the treatment of War on Terror detainees that a legitimate review of whether interrogators broke U.S. laws is merited.
Holder's decision to appoint federal prosecutor John Durham to head the investigation followed public release of a heavily censored CIA inspector general's report from 2004. The report documented interrogation techniques that exceeded those approved by the Justice Department under Bush.
Frankly, we don't understand the right's objection to Holder's plan.
If the actions of American troops and other government representatives at Iraq's infamous Abu Ghraib prison can be reviewed (an investigation that landed several members of the military in the stockade), why should actions taken by CIA operatives and contractors not be subject to review? And if military tribunals can hold troops in Iraq and Afghanistan accountable (as they have) when their actions go beyond legitimate warfare, what is the problem with a similar review of what has gone on in prisons removed from the mental pressure cooker of combat?
Fact is, the vast majority of U.S. service men and women and their intelligence community counterparts perform their duties professionally and well within the law. We suspect those fine folks are no more anxious to serve alongside those who think rules don't apply to them than the rest of us are.
To be sure, Holder's investigators had better be prepared for some intense scrutiny of their own. Those who are convinced that their efforts are little more than an effort to discredit the Bush Administration and undermine the CIA will (and should) be watching closely for evidence to prove their assumptions.
Of course, those on the left also are scrutinizing the investigation. They complain that Holder should have included higher ranking Bush officials in the probe.
But who knows? If the attorney general's minions do play it straight, they might determine there were no significant failures when it came to rule following. We hope that is the result. But again, what we do know is that there are enough questions about what has transpired in overseas prisons to merit a sober review.
Let the skeptics cry foul loud and long if Holder's endeavor turns out to be political posturing, not a sober review of the facts. We will be at their side. But crying foul before the first questions have been asked isn't the right place to begin this debate.
* Members of the Yakima Herald-Republic editorial board are Michael Shepard, Bob Crider, Spencer Hatton and Karen Troianello.
Yeah, right. Do you think for a minute that there would be any practical way to do what you suggest? How would anyone EVER know that what information/evidence was gathered would be factual in any case?
Report ViolationNick - that's great - so, because we are suspicious of the government, we shouldn't investigate anything? Just let the agencies run amok with no oversight? What would you suggest we do when there is evidence of wrong doing? How would you suggest we handle situations like Abu Ghraib? As this editorial suggests - there will many eyes on this investigation - any inpropriety will be questioned.
Report ViolationNick you made my case for torture and Dick Cheney defending it. How would anyone EVER know that what info/evidence was gatherede would be factual in any case? We are a civilized nation, let's act like one. If wrongdoing happened, let the cards fall where they may. My only problem is, what difference will an investigation make if they just slap them on the wrist for the behavior.
Good editorial.
I am sure most people for Holder's investigation have never lost a loved one to terror. If someone broke into my home and hurt my family. I would severely torture that individual. And whether I was in a rage or whatever, vengeance would come on. Unless of course I took time to say a prayer first. But, is it in a human's nature to be calm at the time of reaction to something devastating. I do not thing so in the majority of the times!
If it was not for the CIA, would Eric Holder even have the chance of being attorney general. Would Obama have a chance of being the president? Would we even have freedom in the United States of America? What if the city of Yakima did not have a police force and the gangs took the city over. Would you want the police to interrogate a gang member to find out how to stop this foolish gang membership. You would if your child got shot !
Let leave the CIA alone and let them do their job per this terrorism. Of course a liberal would blame the conservatives however it turned out !
This is why we can't trust liberals to defend our country. They attack the very people in charge of defending us. Thank God people like Dick Cheney were willing to do the dirty work to prevent future terrorist attacks.
Report ViolationSome people like to be lied to and eat every piece of garbage that they are fed. Others seek the truth.
Report ViolationSome people are wise, some are otherwise.
Report Violation@datruef:
"I am sure most people for Holder's investigation have never lost a loved one to terror. If someone broke into my home and hurt my family. I would severely torture that individual."
Although the effectiveness is debated, the point of torture is to gather information. It sounds here like you just want revenge.
Please don't come crying to me when one of your loved ones gets thrown in jail without being charged for a crime nor given a trial, then tortured in a brutal way against the Geneva Convention. The fact that we support brutal torture only makes a better case for young recruits to attack the USA via terrorism.
What moral/ethical ground does the USA have to stand on if we adopt the practices of 3rd world nations with military governments?
johnny99,
Terrorists are not protected by the Geneva Convention, no matter what some liberal judge says. Comparing innocent American citizens to terrorist savages is ridiculous.
Johnny99, We have the knowledge that the terrorists need a reason for attacking the US? What was it prior to 9/11? How about the terror attacks on Pearl Harbor on 12/7? No, sometimes it takes no reason what so ever. They just want what is not theirs.
Report ViolationWe haven't been attacked since 9/11, that tells me these CIA interrogations are working. Amazes me how the Libs come out to support the very people who would kill if given the chance. Don't give me the old line that this is Holder, Holder doesn't do a thing without Obama telling him to do so. Obama will go down as the worst president in US history, even below (gulp) Carter. This is why the libs/Dems will again loose power quickly and the GOP will come in to clean up the mess they made. Reverse everything done in this corrupt admin.
Report ViolationIf a terrorist group is looking for recruits for martyrdom to attack the USA, it makes their job a lot easier if we torture people.
Like I said, when your son or daughter gets captured and tortured because the foreign nation calls them a "terrorist" simply because they are an American...don't come crying to me.
The other side things that Americans are terrorist savages too. Both sides are willing to die for their country. Take the higher ground.
if the Geneva convention does not apply to terrorist, then I am guessing an "American Terrorist" abroad wouldn't be protected under it. Or is there a double standard? This argument can go either way depending on views and what garbage you buy into.
Report ViolationType in Khalid Sheikh Mohammed and do a little reading about this guy. He admitted to be-heading Daniel Pearl by "his own blessed hand". He killed Daniel Pearl long before we water boarded him. He was bad to the bone long before we ever captured him and put him in Gitmo. Remember Nicholas Berg? Sorry johnny99....in my opinion , torture or no torture on our part will not deter terrorist groups from doing exactly what they did to Daniel Pearl and Nicholas Berg.
Growing up in the 50s and 60s I was taught there were clear distinctions between us and the Godless communists. We didn't commit torture, we didn't murder innocents, we had trials before punishment, we didn't have political prisoners, we had the rule of law to govern our actions. Because of that we were the superior people and would prevail in the end.
In my 50s I learned it was all pretty much bullstuff. We will resort to those things when attacked by 18 hijackers without a country, an army or a navy.
I wonder if our forefathers ever dreamed we would throw it away so easily.
Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.
Voltaire (1694 - 1778)
Ever wonder why every head of state visiting modern war zones has been protected by Blackwater? Ever wonder why every congressman and Senator find Blackwater to be their choice for security when the stakes are high?
Ever wonder why liberals as well as conservatives all vote to be protected by Blackwater? This is the future of the CIA and Obama is just bringing it closer by destroying the CIA. This, of course, is just fine with me and several of my friends that are employed there.
Hey BacktoReality: Maybe you need to turn off Fox News and come back to reality.
You say "We haven't been attacked since 9/11, that tells me these CIA interrogations are working." Really? Same old Dick Cheney line over and over again. Remember, my friend, we were attacked on 9/11 during the Bush administration. That's right...the Bush administration. I know that's hard for you and your right wing pals to accept, but it is a fact.
You say "Obama will go down as the worst President in US history." No, George W. Bush was the worst president in US history. I know, you don't want to hear that either, but really...who got us into some of the biggest messes this country has ever seen? No, not Obama. No, not Clinton. It was "the most corrupt administration in US history"...it was....surprise....the Bush administration! We are all very fortunate that the President can only serve 8 years. I don't think we would have survived any more than that.
Oh, and by the way, the word is "lose", not "loose". (Obviously Fox News doesn't teach you how to spell.) Used in a sentence..."you will lose again in 2012, just like you did in November 2008." Deal with it!
Whatt,
9/11 happened less than a year after Bush took office. It takes longer than that to develop the tensions and the terrorists who did it. You don't get to blame that one on Bush.
The "We haven't been since 9/11" line keeps coming up because it's the truth. Several terrorist plots have been discovered and attacks prevented. Some in our own state.
CIA oversight is necessary but whatever information comes out should be dealt with accordingly and NOT made public. Political jokeying with the CIA will hamstring the CIA and that's in no one's best interests (except the terrorists). That it's a partisan politician doing this oversight is a joke. Military and federal law enforcement leadership should be conducting these investigations.
You can't take the chain off of your dog because the wolf is at the door and then admonish him for biting the wolf.
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